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Eve Tahmincioglu

Primary author Eve Tahmincioglu has been covering small business and entrepreneurship for more than a decade. She regularly writes about small business issues for the New York Times and BusinessWeek's SmallBiz magazine. She also writes the Your Career column for MSNBC.com. She is the author of "From the Sandbox to the Corner Office."



Employers with illegal workers get reprieve

Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:06 AM by Eve Tahmincioglu
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All the undocumented workers and their employers in the U.S. can breath a collective sigh of relief.

Turns out “no match” is a “no go” at least for now.

Last week, a federal judge put the temporary kibosh on a new Department of Homeland Security rule that would have cracked down on businesses that hired illegal-immigrant workers.

In an unusual twist, labor and business leaders got together to fight the rule and ended up getting their way for now with the granting of an injunction nationwide.

The way the no match rule would have worked is simple: If an employee's name and Social Security number did not match government records, the employer would receive a letter from the government advising that employer they had 90 days to figure out the problem or can the employee. If the business ignored the letter they could be fined up to $10,000 per infraction.

This is a touchy subject with businesses. No one wants to admit they employ illegal workers and business/labor advocates walk a fine line when deciding how much to fight regulations like this.

When I blogged about this last time, the National Federation of Independent Businesses said it was taking a wait-and-see approach.

But now, with the injunction, everyone feels a bit better about dogging the rule.

"The court's decision is encouraging for small-business owners. The court seriously questions whether the Department of Homeland Security violated the Regulatory Flexibility Act when the agency issued the final ‘no match’ letter procedures. The court understands that this rule if enacted would likely cause significant harm to innocent employers and workers,” according to Karen Harned, executive director of the NFIB’s Legal Foundation.

Labor’s argument has been that employers would use the no match rule to fire employees who were trying to organize unions.

The President of the AFL-CIO, which was one of the organizations behind the lawsuit, said:  
“This is a significant step towards overturning this unlawful rule, which would give employers an even stronger way to keep workers from freely forming unions. More than 70 percent of SSA discrepancies refer to U.S. citizens, and…the mailing of the new ‘no match’ letters would result in irreparable harm to innocent workers and employers.”

It’s unclear how these letters would have been used. And it seems odd that labor would want to derail a rule that would possibly create more jobs for U.S. workers.

The more I think about it, the more I think there’s a strong undercurrent of “keep the status quo” when it comes to the immigration issue.

Millions of illegal workers are toiling away in businesses across the country. We all know it. We all see them.

I’m guessing, no one really has the heart to do anything that would force us to make that serious of a change to the nation’s economic structure.

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We have a massive illegal alien invsion into our Country that has escalated under Bush.  We have laws that need to be enforced.  People who break into our Country are supposed to be arrested and deported.  Why aren't they?
I've been out of work for over a year parly because I refuse to work at wages that can't support a moderate living standard.  I can't afford to risk working under the table under an assumed name and someone else's ss number since I can't run accross the boader when the heat hits. Contractors won't hire me since they have a cheap labor pool of undocumented workers they can exploit.  No medical or disability insurance. No tax forms to fill out. Dammed if I will buy a house from the SOB's if they won't hire us to help build them.
No amnesty or dream act for illegal alien lawbreakers.  The American people want our borders secured.   Also, I am so happy to hear that Don Imus is returning, I have missed his program.  I have not been watching MSNBC in the morning since he was unfairly fired.
This country is losing the battle on illegal immigration. It is a wide spread problem through out the country. I live in South Alabama and the problem is hitting most of us where it shoudn't. "Our lively hoods". We are losing our jobs because the illegal's are getting jobs through companies or other people who it seems has no regards toward their own peoples well being. The government needs to step in and start prosecuting these people who are breaking the law. The illegals are coming in this country and under bidding our jobs and doing them for rates that none us can compete with. The people that are going to lose in this situtation are our children.When it gets to where we are sitting at home instead of working because we can not compete with rates they are doing these jobs for the children suffer. This means we can not put food on our tables, pay our mortgages or provide medical coverage for our families. What kind of life can we provide for our families at this rate. NOT A GOOD ONE AT ALL. If the illegals are allowed to continue to get in our country it's only gonna get worse. These people have no desire to become citizens of our country. They are here just to send money back to their homelands. That is money leaving the country that should stay here for OUR economy. Everyone needs to take a stand on this issue and let the government that we are not going to take it anymore. The politicians in this country I feel just dont care, it is not hitting them in the wallets. So I feel they could care less. Come on people , isn"t enough, enough. Let all of our elected officals know where you stand on this issue. We have to stand up for ourselves , no one else is going to stand up for us if we do stand up for ourselves.  
Illegal aliens should all go back period. No employer should be allowed to hire them. It lowers the standard of living in our country and burdens the taxpayers providing health care on the public dole. When is America and the politicians going to wake up !!!
All these comments talk about how these illegal aliens take a lesser pay and that dosn't let them getter better wages the better wages are out there you just have to take the time to find it. Now think about it if someone at Jack in the box Is getting paid 15 dollars to flip burgers I doubt you will be able to get that value meal ur used to for 5 bucks like everything I agree theres up and downs to the topic but as humans we only find the negative and blame others instead of striving to better ourselves
Well, this is another of Bushs deals with the Mexican President (in secret) put them damn Americans down to the lowest level of lively hood, while he reaks havoc with the world and makes mucho blood money on the backs of American citizens.  Vote for any of the Republicans and it will continue, it started back with Nixon.  Good Luck sap sappin American Citizens
heeellooo!!!! this is usa, the biggest company in the world,capitalism to the extreme, so why all of you are cring about? if you dont like it go back to europe.
John, the ploiticians are awake. Look at most politicians they own corporations and are members of big buisness. There reaping big profits from third world wage labor. This money isolates them from the day to day problems of eroding American life.
People, you MUST wake up and call or fax your senators and congressmen.  Tell them if they don't stop this invasion of illegal aliens who are literally eroding the base of our citizens' wages then you will NOT vote for them.  They DO hear us - we stopped the Bush amnesty for a while.  But they are hell bent and determined to sell us out to Mexico.There are websites that make it easy to send a free fax or phone call to your reps at numbersusa.com - an organization that will keep you informed of what Washington's paid off by big business politicians are doing to avoid enforcing the law so they can keep their big campaign money coming in and so they can keep depressing wages and benefits of working class America.  They continue to sell us out - the only hope we have for our children and grandchildren is to continue to fight this invasion that is being supported by our corrupt politicians who are only interested in the almighty dollar for the rich. We have been apathetic going about our lives not paying attention as this cancer has spread across our great nation.  We CAN take back our nation, our jobs, our language and our culture for future generations of American citizens.  But -- only if ALL of us unite as one and demand that our government ENFORCE the laws of our land on ALL people breaking them.  I am so sick and tired of seeing the rule of law trampled upon, mocked and ignored by the very people we elect to protect our nation and our sovereignty. I am sick and tired of seeing our old folks who can no longer work and our disabled thrown to the side by our government so they can hand our hard earned tax dollars to social services being used by illegals and their anchor babies who have NO RIGHT to them.  I am sick and tired of paying teachers to teach ENGLISH to non English speaking children of illegals and illegal students as well.  Meanwhile, our own children are getting a sorry excuse for an education while we have to add more classrooms and pay more instructors to be sure the anchor babies get the best possible opportunity.  We have intense poverty in this country and our lawmakers look the other way while many of our own are being gunned down in drug infested ghettos -- but that is ok so long as we take care of the children of illegals that have stolen a place in our great nation. It seems the politicians won't be content until America is like Mexico - composed of the very rich and the very poor.  That is where we are going if we don't stop this insanity now.  YOU CAN make a difference.  One of us is weak but united we CAN stop this theft of our birthright that is being stolen.  YOU cannot sit back and wait for somebody else to be the voice, to send the fax or email or make the phone call.  You cannot sit back and wait for somebody else to gather in protest -- YOU and only YOU can stop this.  United we still are for the moment the majority in this country - sit back and wait for others to do it and that won't be the case very long.  Remember, when all these anchor babies of illegals turn 18 THEY can vote - who do you think will go in office.  Are you ready for Spanish to be our national language?  Are you ready to be governed by a Hispanic government?  If not, then get off your duffs and BE AMERICANS and FIGHT for her.
lets get real, if you take out a part of an already working machinery the only thing than will happens is you break it down, stop it and losing any investment on it. i believe that will happens if we translate that to undocument people, they have been here for decades, working, paying taxes, shopping, renting,making partys, going to church, yes some making things the wrong way, but all of them (12 million +/-) i think, are "gears" in our today's economy, life, nation, and every other aspect of this coutry, i dont think "removing" them will bring any good to us as a nation. i think the best is to bring all of them to the light, so we can know exactly who they are, what they do, what they think, and that way achieve many goals. can you imagine from nigth to day a real state market whith 12 millions new consumers?, a lot more people who want to be in our armed forces, theres a lot of possibilities, whit people who been here for years but never had a chance to realy give this nation all of their potential, we as a nation already invest a lot on them, lest give them a chance to give back to its fullest.  
WHILE OUR ECONOMY BENEFITS FROM LOW COST LABOR, HOW MUCH DO WE PAY THRU TAXES TO SUPPORT THEIR FREE HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION, JAILS(CHECK OUT THE PERCENTAGE OF INMATES WHO ARE ILLEGALS)AND UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS PAID TO OUR LEGAL DISPLACED WORKERS? THE FIGHT IS WITH OUR POLITICIANS AND BUSINESSES THAT BENEFIT FROM THE STATUS QUO. WE CAN START BY VOTING AGAINST ANY WHO WILL NOT FIRMLY FORCE OUR GOVERNMENT TO ENFORCE OUR LAWS. I WITNESS ALL THE NEGATIVES MENTIONED IN MY OWN COMMUNITY, SO THIS IS NOT JUST REPEATING GOSSIP!!
We should give amnesty immediately to our undocumented immigrants.  It makes no sense to do what we are doing now.  
This is for "viva USA" you are obviously an illegal alien, your bad spelling and horrible syntax are a dead givaway! besides illegal aliens cost this country more money than they put in! They send most of it back to mexico to their "homies". We all know this as a fact. So please do some research on the subject before you spew out incomplete information. and to Margaux of Co. we tried the amnesty thing years ago and all it did was encourage more illegals to come here on the hope that they would get it too!
need to do anything?
Let me ask all of you people where you came from? What about your grandparents? Unless you are a Native American you cannot truly comment against immigrants while your own ancestors were just that. Where would you be if they had not chosen to migrate? Let's be realistic and not over-exaggerate there has to be a middle ground for our nation's situation. We cannot just kick all illegal aliens out and not expect for a drastic change in our economy. Are you willing to work 47 hours a week at $5 p/hr.? No? How about paying $15 for a watermelon? Someone has to do the job? right? How about all those lazy high school teens, can they keep up with the pressure? Let us face it, we cannot just take kick them all out, they too are HUMANS too and have families to feed. If our country was in the same situation as theirs wouldn't you move somewhere else to find a job and feed your family? Why not leave the TRUE citizens, the hard-working ones, with NO criminal record, active in their community, who pay their taxes and are learning or already speak English? Let's go back in history migration has always been there, has it gotten out of hand perhaps, who's fault is it? Our government, why? for not doing anything to prevent or regulate. Can something be done? YES! Everything is possible. We can be civilized and find a positive solution that benefit our country and does not harm our pockets. Let us be humans and treat them for what they are HUMANS! (When we speak about illegal aliens, please do your research, they are not all Mexican some of them come from countries that you have never heard from and others might even be from where your family comes from).
Sickening. If you employ illegals, YOU are illegal. Get your business out of the United States or hand over all your earnings to local social service agencies.
You shouldn't get away with that in the US; if you are doing this and you own a business--your time is coming; you'll have to deal with the consequences.
you, know, "A Human being" in Nebraska, I feel what you're saying, really, I do. BUT, it's only exploitation of Mexican citizens by US companies and discrimination of US citizens by these same employers.
If Americans are really concerned with the plight of the average Mexican, encourage them to over-throw their corrupt government and make some changes down there. Don't run from it !
Americans aren't against immigrants so the old lame, worn out statement, "we're all immigrants" doesn't excuse the fact we are creating a divided country--one for those who obey the law, and one for those who don't.

If citizenship has no privileges and are free for anyone that enters this country against our laws, then why should anyone bother with being a citizen ?

The loss of jobs isn't a "natural progression" as open borders advocates would have you think. We have a government ignorning the will of the people and forcing us to bestow benefits on illegal aliens, to stand aside so good paying jobs can be reduced to sweatshop ones and then we're expected to stand at the border with a welcome mat to millions more headed this way.

It's an invasion condoned by our own government.
Also, Margaux from Aurora, CO...why? Why should we give them Amnesty?
Then I suppose we ought to simply eliminate the borders of the US and give everyone Amnesty and just say screw it, everyone that comes it becomes a US citizen automatically.
Do you think other countries would put up with this? The ones who have had very relaxed border policies are now catching hell for it. I know, I have many family members in Germany and it's screwing up every thing over there because you have floods of people crossing over into the EU without any restraints at all. It causes social unrest, violence and ultimately social and class warfare. But stop and think for a moment...perhaps this is precisely what the powers that be would like. Social, class, race warfare flaring while all the while they are able to better control and divide the population and continue with war and economically under cutting the people.
Also, when all else fails and there are no more jobs available for either citizens of the US or illegals then there's always the military. They will be more than happy to use us and the Mexicans for their never-ending war which profits no one but the military industrial complex. And, if you're not familiar with the "military industrial complex", I very much suggest you do some reading on the subject, because it is that huge entity that is the true enemy of Americans, Mexicans and people the world over.
Nebraska, get serious.  There is a legal way to get into this country and they should abide by those rules.  As for all the other so-called immigrants that are not Native Americans, that was a different time and a much different world.  
in arizona the reprieve will be short lived.  state maw makes it mandetory.  and forget the $10,000 wrist slap.  get caught once your are shut down for 10 days and on 5 years probation.  get caught a second time and it's game over,  you are permanently out of business.  

the excuse that it could harm unions is ludacris.  businesses hire illegals to destroy unions.  enforcing the law would only make unions stronger.  and why are they so worried unless they know they are hireing illegals?  the fact is this case was about stoping the law from protecting innocent american citizens in favor enusring the wealthies can make even more buy not paying american wages.  we need to deport every illegal and their employeers.
Yes, most of our ancestors did come from other countrys, that's true. The difference is..when my grandparents came from Germany they had to either sink or swim. There was no free healthcare, free lunches and breakfasts for the kids, and they sure didn't sit here for 26 years working and milking this country for all they can get. They became legal as soon as they could. They would not let us talk German. No, we had to learn ENGLISH!
Will the democrats do better? I seriously dought it. They want those votes and the illegals wan tthe free assistance. I'll stick with the republicans.
We need to enforce the laws on the books and send ALL illegals back home even if they have been here 37 years.  They broke the United States law and should be called "Illegal Criminals" because this is what they are.  They need to be sent back to their country of origin and come back the right way-learn English, speak English and become a citizen of The United States, Period.  No exceptions.  No freebies.  Yes, our reletives came & fought in the revolution for their Freedom.
Yeah, neva forget that tha wip snapped ya back
Ya spine cracked for tobacco, oh I'm the Marlboro man, uh
Our past blastin' on through the verses
Brigades of taxi cabs rollin' Broadway like hearses
Troops strippin' zoots, shots of red mist,
Sailors blood on tha deck, come sista resist
From tha era of terror check this photo lens,
Now tha city of angels does the ethnic cleanse
Uh, heads bobbin' to tha funk out ya speaker, on tha one Maya, Mexica
That vulture came to try and steal ya name
But now you found a gun, you're history, this is for the people of the sun

It's comin' back around again!
This is for the people of the sun!
It's comin' back around again! Yeah!
Many illegal aliens pay taxes for which they cannot collect any benefits.  They pay through the IRS tax ID program.  Many immigratns are teachers, lawyers, doctors, business owners, nurses.  Very well educated people who come here to create a "better life" for themselves or their children.  They take menial jobs cleaning, as nannies etc. so thier kids can go to school or so they can support families.  All of that anyone can relate to it is human nature.  Also all illegals are not from Mexico as so many people assume.  There are white blond haired, blue eyed illegal immigrants that come from England or other Europena countries too.  Even Canada it might be your neighbor!!! Are you willing to turn them away too I wonder, or is this really a racial profile?  Guess what many illegal immigrants wan to pay taxes, they do work hard.  I have seen fellow business owners willing to pay $12 to $17 dollars an hour to Legal Americans who don't want to work because it is easier to sit on their Laurels and collect welfare.  Illegal aliens generally come from countries where it is dishonorable to sit around and not work
Anybody who takes the position "illegal is illegal" is refusing to look at the reality of the situation.  These people are not going anywhere, and I really don't think it is in a goverment's best interest to "round up" an entire group of people & force them out of the country.  I think the USA has done this already...  (The Trail of Tears, the placement of of Japanese US nationals into concentration camps during WWII)  

Come to think about it, if you really know the truth about US history, then you know that Mexican American war was started by the US as a thinly veiled campaign to expand all the way to the Pacific Ocean.  The war nothing more than US aggression & imperialism.   So, if you wanna take the extreme opposite view, the South West rightfully belongs to Mexico, and the real invaders were the White Americans...   I think it's funny that over 100 years later, Mexico is returning the favor.  fair is fair
Human Being:  All of our ancesters legally.. There were no laws at that time to stop them.. They were encouraged to move to AMERICA.. Today, it is illegal to enter our country.. Enforce all of the immigration laws.. Ps. My wife is from China and she came here legally.. Everyone in this country illegally should be deported immediately without delays and their children.  The amendment making all children born in this country a legal citizen was passed to due to the slaves brought here an their children born here, NOT for current children born here..
mmmmm....all this crying ...blame your problems in to others, it's wrong...the best thing to fix this "problem" of inmigration,is first...live your own live,fix your own problems,if you want a better job,o a better salary,get a degree,go to the school,read more books, no magazines,learn someting,so you be somebody on your life and if you have family,show family values,show respect for the people and for your self,be an example for the others,instead be talking sensless .....lear someting new for good,be somebody ....don't blame in others for your problems...if you sweep floors,be the best...if you wash cars,be the best...think positive...
To be honest as far as I am concerned we need to round these people up and send them all back to where they belong. If we cut off the reason why they come into this state they will not show their faces. All employers who hire illegals should go to jail just like the enron people.
There are plenty of women who are American citizens who have cleaning businesses who can step in when this country is finally ready to put the "no-match" process into effect.  "Jobs Americans won't do" Ha!!
We need to get tough and deport all ILLEGALS. Let's put our youth to work instead of sitting in front of the computer all day.  Oh, by the way..I do have a cleaning company and I would LOVE to help show all those doubters what can be accomplished by good old AMERICAN hard-work.
i was reading some of these comments...look all, some of these jobs nobody wants..or even do for that matter so those who are complaining stop it...unless u are one of the very few who are willing to go out there and work at McDonalds, or any fast food place and earn min wage or do the house cleaning, cooking (the everyday mom stuff) just keep your comments to yourself about how we yes we Latinos are taking your jobs away..i have been here for over 40 yrs and i srongly support our Latinos who are here to make an honest living...they do pay taxes...i see it everyday and the sad part is that there social security number maybe not their's so they can't even file a return for any kind of refund...so don't let the uncle sam tell u other wise...CUZ THAT"S A BIG AMERICAN LIE...who keeps all that money and what is it use for...i would love to see how some how many people complain about us and yet have us cleaning, cooking and waiting their kids?...humm..don't miss understand me i agree on there needs to be a way to control immagation population here in California and every where else...and why is everybody always picking on the Latinos...what about cultures???
As I read, "All the undocumented workers and their employers in the U.S. can breath a collective sigh of relief," I breathe a sigh of frustration that so many English speakers don't know their own language.

It just takes my breath away. (See the difference? One's a noun, the other's a verb.
hey jj, GA...just an fyi...when u go to your goverment remember to ask them how they got voted into office...remember when become a register voter their is no one asking for proof of citizenship...so anyone...from Mexico to China that is here illegally can become a register voter...
This country needs to round up these illegal immigrants and deport them. They are ruining this country getting free healthcare, when there are Americans who can't even get healthcare. Bush has done nothing about this problem and businesses are still hiring them to work. Why isn't something being done? The only thing George Bush worries about is getting Iraq's oil and that's all. he vetoes everything that comes in front of him. He should be impeached. the immigrants are ruining our economy and America is letting them do it. If they want to come to this country, let them do it legally.This country is going to hell, with all that is going on. Before long, thre won't be America. it will be owned and run by foreigners. Our government ought to get their heads out of their asses and do something about illegal immigrants. Why should they get free healthcare, when we, Americans, can't!
As I read, "All the undocumented workers and their employers in the U.S. can breath a collective sigh of relief," I breathe a sigh of frustration that so many English speakers don't know their own language.

It just takes my breath away. (See the difference? One's a noun, the other's a verb.)
I just want to know why do we have laws. If buisness and Imigrants and political persons dont have to obey them and business and the rest know that they are breaking them or not inforcing them. Why are other laws being inforced. I thought this country did not discriminate against anyone. Especially citizens. I also thought we were not suppose set preferences for any group. Why are knew laws being made when they dont inforce the ones we have. why dont we let citizens children not have to pay taxes. Why do i have to i have to be charged criminally or fined if i dont do what the law or Goverments tell me to do by the allotted time. let me get away for 20 years for not obeying the laws and feel sorrow for me. Laws are made to be inforced and if you dont inforce the laws we have dont inforce any, it is discrination if you do. Our own Goverments are breaking the law by not inforcing the ones they have made.
Message for Margaux: Okay, but I want a get-out-of-jail card for about 10 nice juicy bank robberies.... so what part of "illegal" don't you understand. They are NOT undocumented; they ARE illegal and ARE lawbreakers.

For A huma being: Great. Can we sent them all to Nebraska?
The country needs immigrants to grow and thrive. We should open our doors to anyone who wishes to move here and start a new life as long as they are healthy, well behaved and hard working. That has always been the rule in this country and there is no reason to change now. The more the merrier.
How many Americans are interested in performing labor-intensive, mundane, service industry jobs that immigrant laborers perform daily. Anyone who would argue that a law that would possibly provide more jobs to Americans should go be a janitor or work for a landscaping company.

Your Eggplant Parmigiana at your fave Italian joint will cost 50.00 if we're not careful!

Our options are:

1) Nationalize the "illegals" in this country now, and tax them.

2) Kick the "illegals" out, along with any known criminals, and put welfare recipients in those jobs that can't be filled by willing Americans.

3) Do nothing and hope that's good enough.
LOL American's you gotta love em...
The problem with Illegal Immigration is Illegal Employment. No Jobs For Illegals Equals No Illegals! Don't vote for anyone, (Like Bush), who is not in favor of Heavy Penalties for Employers who hire Illegals.
Wah Wah Wah  Do something new. Figure out a solution instead of whinning about the problem.
The problem is not LEGAL immgration, but ILLEGAL immigration.  For every "undocumented" worker here, there are several patiently waiting for their opportunity to come here LEGALLY. Why should someone who broke the law be granted an amnesty when those who are following the law are punished by being forced to wait even longer because we gave someone else SHAMnesty? In case you've forgotten, Margoux, we tried amnesty in the 80's and it was a MISERABLE failure.  More crimninal aliens recieved lawful permanent resident status than did those for whom the amnesty was intended. The borders became awash in a human tide amd fraudulent claims overwhelmed the system   Yeah, lets do that again.  Here's a novel idea, lets enforce the existing laws, how about that?  
They are illegal, they have broken the law and they need to be immediately deported. They come here ILLEGALY and get a free education paid for by tax paying individuals. American children all over the country have their schools shut down because of budget cuts and in turn we spend millions building schools for illegal immigrants whose parents work under the table and pay no taxes. Illegal immigrants get free health care that are once again paid for by our taxes while hard working American families cannot afford healthcare. I personally am sick of seeing non-tax paying criminals get a free ride while hard working tax paying Americans have to pay for it not only with their tax dollars but with the loss of their own benefits. The fact remains that they are here illegally and that makes them criminals whether you like it or not. Save America - Deport and Illegal Today!
i'm really surprised to see how people try to look for stupid scuses to blame others for their failures. if you can't get a job it's because you're not capable enough you don't have the working enthusiasm, or you like to take advantage of the government benefits. Don't try to blame it on ilegals, specially don't generallyze and say that all of them are from mexico, or that they all get wellfare or healthcare benefits. i'm an american and i been around many undocumented workes, as i know, "none of them" have ever got any medical treatments, because they simply don't have the right, when they get sick, they have to survive on their own. not unlike a big majority of americans that are really exploiting our government. now guess what people??? all the big profits and money that "some of you" are saying that immigrants send back to their countries eventually comes back to the usa, what do you think all the big american companies like walmart and office depot are doing in foreing countryes? they are not helping them as much as helping the usa...before talking about money please take a course of accouning or international business....bunch of ignorants.
I want to address the gentleman who said without illegal immigrant labor, we'd need to pay burger flippers at Wendy's 15 dollars per hour and thus have more expensive food prices. This is just plain false. In-N-Out burger is a large chain in the west that  pays its workers a STARTING wage of $11/hr. This chain is wildly successfully and has NOTHING priced over 3 dollars on its menu. Their managers earn an AVERAGE of over 80k per year. They also offer all employees reasonably priced health care benefits. No, they do not hire illegal immigrants. They don't have to. If you offer competitive wages and a quality product, everyone wins.

The problem with companies that hire illegal aliens is that they use the cheap labor to compensate for poor management practices, and for paying outsize compensation to their senior executives.

The logical answer to the problem of illegal immigrants is to make certain that severe punishment is meted out to the immigrant lawbreaker AND the company that hires them. The penalties must be so swift and certain that no rational person would take the risk. As to those illegal immigrants already in the country; they should be deported at once. Those who say massive deportation is "impossible" are ignoring the fact that this country has proven time and again that it can do anything that it puts its mind to do. Yes, some "innocent persons" would be harmed in the process. But let's not ignore the fact that we already tolerate considerable "collateral damage" to innocent persons who are routinely tried and convicted for crimes they did not commit because they lack the financial resources to mount a proper defense.

An organized, properly funded, deportation effort would generate far greater benefits to American society than the current "don't ask don't tell" policy largely in effect today. The labor marketplace would quickly adjust, and the social and economic burden of this vast population of lawbreakers would be an unpleasant memory.

Finally, to those who say "this is a country made great by immigrants" I would posit that you have lost sight of the fact that times and circumstances have changed greatly in the last 40 years. This is no longer the 1940's and 50's. We are not dealing with the massive loss of life resulting from major military  combat. Quite the opposite, the costs associated with the massive influx of illegal immigrants now greatly outstrip the benefits of their cheap labor. Medical care alone can run into the billions of dollars. And the unwillingness of Hispanic immigrants to assimilate into American culture breeds the kind of cultural resentment that many mistake for racism but which is really the result of an alien culture disrupting or destroying the prior established culture. The indigenous population quite rightly resents the appearance of residents who cannot communicate and refuse to honor the local cultural traditions. Practices such as multiple families living in single family dwellings further disrupt community standards.

It's time for the body politic of this country to accept the fact that the majority of the population do not want illegal immigrants in their communities. That  Americans want to preserve the resources and culture of our nation as they are. Those who wish to escape the poverty and corruption of their home country need to stand up and make their own nation a "land of opportunity."
The issue of the article is workers whose ss# don't match their info.  I think the argument that these letters will stop unions from forming is BS! What about the people who belong to the #'s, what about their right to not have their identiy f'd with. I'm also fed up with "they do work Americans won't"  Americans did those jobs before.  We change what we call these people from alien to immigrant to make us feel for them.  I know my family history and it goes back to a scotch irish indentured slave, who worked hard and made this country his.  He was a true immigrant, he came legally.  These words..like refugees, conjure up images.  Think about this, you folks who think that all these people should given amnesty.  Soon they'll fight for their right to better pay and health coverage and GET IT! Look at the Farm Workers Union in CA. My family lost their jobs to illegals in the central valley farms of CA in the 60's because the farm owners got cheaper labor from the illegals, then they unionized and get better pay and bennies then my grandparents ever got. I don't have any answers, but I'll say this. We working class Americans don't have much, but we have our love for our country. We have given up to the "corporatization" of our nation. We will be servants to the CEO's while they play us like pawns, because they can. We get what we put up with. My son is almost 18 and I can't pay for college, so they're recruiting him to fight for the corporate machine, while hispanics come in and take the workers jobs. I heard the meek shall inherit the earth, but I know some greedy SOB will come and snatch away. I've worked in houskeeping, in restaurants, in customer service to feed my kids..what jobs will they be able to do if they can't those.  We'll all stay together in one house and pool our money to make it, just like they do, but they can now get the skill less jobs. It has been planned for years by the neoconservative corporate leaders. They'll look at us like "white trash" but have compassion for the "immigrants" These folks can go back...we cant. To the schmuck who said go back to Europe. We can't we're American. Better yet, we won't..we will rise up and take our country back..Just wait and see...
Illegal workers in our country will not stop as long as it surves the purpose of our masters/business owners/corperations/and bankers sheeple!!  They love that it erodes the low end labor pool.  Do you think that they would let foriegners with degrees come work work without a visa and undercut the rich?  Try hiring a cheaper doctor, dentist, PI, broker, banker, or accountant from another country here.  Won't happen.  Not without a visa, work permit, license or accreditation.  Think about it, is a phsycologist really worth $200hr.  Does a vasectemy really need to cost $8000. And it won't change cause they have all the money with which to lobby control of politics, and middle class and poor do not. All we have is a vote, periodically.  And only about 30% of the middle class and poor do it.  So keep posting here, don't registered to vote, never join a union, and feel like you've done something, cause the last thing the money masters want is for you to vote.  And do you think that a republican is going to fix this?  An insurance company lobby, a HMO lobby, any of them?  No, cause they have you out voted.
I am currently working for an employer that mostly employs immigrants and I can tell you first hand that something needs to be done. People think that immigrants hold jobs that "lazy americans" don't want, this is not true. Americans don't want to work for this paticular company because of the unfair treatment they suffer because of the immigrants. I was told that if an immigrant wasn't doing their job I would be made to do it because the line leader did not want to get in trouble for discrimination by the plant owners in trying to make them do it correctly. What is this country coming to that a single mother trying to earn a living is treated poorly for being an American in America?


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