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Employers with illegal workers get reprieve

Posted: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:06 AM by Eve Tahmincioglu
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All the undocumented workers and their employers in the U.S. can breath a collective sigh of relief.

Turns out “no match” is a “no go” at least for now.

Last week, a federal judge put the temporary kibosh on a new Department of Homeland Security rule that would have cracked down on businesses that hired illegal-immigrant workers.

In an unusual twist, labor and business leaders got together to fight the rule and ended up getting their way for now with the granting of an injunction nationwide.

The way the no match rule would have worked is simple: If an employee's name and Social Security number did not match government records, the employer would receive a letter from the government advising that employer they had 90 days to figure out the problem or can the employee. If the business ignored the letter they could be fined up to $10,000 per infraction.

This is a touchy subject with businesses. No one wants to admit they employ illegal workers and business/labor advocates walk a fine line when deciding how much to fight regulations like this.

When I blogged about this last time, the National Federation of Independent Businesses said it was taking a wait-and-see approach.

But now, with the injunction, everyone feels a bit better about dogging the rule.

"The court's decision is encouraging for small-business owners. The court seriously questions whether the Department of Homeland Security violated the Regulatory Flexibility Act when the agency issued the final ‘no match’ letter procedures. The court understands that this rule if enacted would likely cause significant harm to innocent employers and workers,” according to Karen Harned, executive director of the NFIB’s Legal Foundation.

Labor’s argument has been that employers would use the no match rule to fire employees who were trying to organize unions.

The President of the AFL-CIO, which was one of the organizations behind the lawsuit, said:  
“This is a significant step towards overturning this unlawful rule, which would give employers an even stronger way to keep workers from freely forming unions. More than 70 percent of SSA discrepancies refer to U.S. citizens, and…the mailing of the new ‘no match’ letters would result in irreparable harm to innocent workers and employers.”

It’s unclear how these letters would have been used. And it seems odd that labor would want to derail a rule that would possibly create more jobs for U.S. workers.

The more I think about it, the more I think there’s a strong undercurrent of “keep the status quo” when it comes to the immigration issue.

Millions of illegal workers are toiling away in businesses across the country. We all know it. We all see them.

I’m guessing, no one really has the heart to do anything that would force us to make that serious of a change to the nation’s economic structure.

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I have no problems with any human being wanting to come to our great country just do it legaly
Illegal immigration is a serious problem and continually gets mixed in with legal immigration, by it's supporters.  Going back 40+ years Congress has consistently produced poor immigration policy.  The one thread through all of these years has been Sen. Edward Kennedy.  The most egregious piece of legislation was the 1986 Immigration Act which, virtually everyone agrees, had exasperated the illegal immigration problem.  Then, in 2006, Congress created the so called comprehensive immigration legislation, which was almost identical to the 1986 legislation.  Lessons learned...not at all.  

The costs of the 20 million illegal are astronomical and have dire consequences associated with them, ie, we are becoming a bilingual country (in spite of the fact that no country has successfully accomplished this in the past), our schools are innundated with children of illegals (one needs to only look at one statistic ESL, if that is over 1% you are looking at an underperforming school and your child will not get the education you think he/she should, go to any hospital and you will see the overwhelming number of non English speaking patients (likely illegals not paying for the services), with multiple children being groomed for your school system as ESL's because the language at home is not English.

All of this was created, over the past 40+ years by a country that did not have the will to address the problem that it's Congress was creating.

If every illegal was magically sent back to their point of origin, our borders were sealed and laws enforced we would not miss a beat as a nation.          
   
There are already laws in place to control immigration.  These laws need to be enforced and new ones need to be passed to update all of the current new problems.  Illegal immigration needs to be eliminated but legal immigration needs to continue.  One problem we have is that United States citizens just do not want to do the kind of jobs the illegals are doing.  I'm talking about field labor and housekeeping and nannny and landscaping and other manual labor jobs.  I do not consider construction a given for illegals as there are a lot of construction workers that are United States citizens and they would be more than willing to take these jobs.  Contacting your senators and representatives would be a good start, however; I don't actually think it would be of any use unless a nation wide campaign was organized.  What we need is a leader to take a stand on this problem.  I haven't heard much from any of the current candidates about the problem.  Where are the Civil Rights activists of the 60's?  Bring them back and maybe something would be done.  The generation today that could be activists unfortunately is all about itself and couldn't care less about immigration as long as it doesn't affect them adversely.  Immigration is a huge problem that is almost insurmountable and will not be solved easily or in the near future.  Right now the only thing we can do is write the Senators and Representatives who by the way are very busy with an election.  Maybe afterwards.
If they obeyed our laws and entered thru legal procedures they wouldn't be in the position they find themselves in.They willingly chose to enter the US illegally,they only they deserve is a one way ticket back to country no matter how they've lived here illegally.I'm sick and tired of people who chose to break our laws making demands and playing the sympathy card.
I was NOT born in the USA. However, I can tell you unequivocally, after reading these complaints, I now better understand the anger expressed and wonder if it isn't mostly unfounded resentment. I doubt it has much to do with "illegal immigrants".

Let's look at the other side of the coin for a moment: How about learning how to write and talk properly so you can get a better job "that THESE people are taking away from you". If you filled out an application at my business -- written the way most of these statements read -- you'd be out the door before even being given a chance to work. Ignorance often leads to anger. I don't see anyone with a modicum (if anyone understands the term) of intelligence responding to these statements. Yes, I have more than a modicum, and yes, I am responding because some, if not most of these comments sound like sour grapes. I studied and learned and applied myself instead of crying about my life or acting like "poor, poor me". Get off your duff, get educated -- and NO, this does not always mean college, as I am sure someone will feel "I wasn't lucky enough to get an education". BS, look around you, it may come as a surprise to you: Lack of knowledge and ignorance are no longer an excuse in this world.

Besides...without "THESE" people, most service industries would need to close down or reduce services substantially. I don't see many Americans working at McDonalds, Burgerking, Jack in the box, Marriott Hotels, Hilton Hotels, Sushi restaurants, ad nauseam. I don't see many Americans picking fruit or any harvest for that matter...it's let "THEM" do it, let "THEM" clean, scrub, polish and sweep our homes, restaurants, hotels, hospitals, etc. Come on folks, I would be willing to bet nobody feels as strong a love for the USA as I do... that's because I HAVE BEEN ELSEWHERE and therefore appreciate this country and would give all for it. No, I am not in favor of everything politicians do, but we ELECT THEM!.
Yes, I am a US citizen now, and DAMN proud of it.

Let's give THESE people a chance and be less critical. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT AWAITS US IF THEY ARE ALL 'SENT BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM'. Do you REALLY believe you are a native American? READ HISTORY FOLKS, perhaps you'll be better educated before opening your mouth (or your keyboard, as it may be). By the way, I can't help feel most people think the ONLY illegal folks in this country are MEXICAN...or from "ONE OF THOSE COUNTRIES DOWN THERE".
You have NO idea how wrong you are. Again, think about it, do you really think if some of your ancestors had not come to America "ILLEGALLY" that you would be here?. Do some research and you'll find some incredible answers. BY THE WAY, in the country I come from, AMERICAN HISTORY, GEOGRAPHY AND WORLD EVENTS were obligatory subjects, not PE, football and gym class.Amazing to realize MOST Americans cannot find the USA on a map!!!! Talk about that why don't you!
Good luck to all of you! If there are some typos, sorry about that!

NY Governor Spitzer's attempt to give illegal immigrants drivers licenses is a move to get illegals in to the voting booths.  Once they can pay back this favor by voting for democrats in state and federal offices, they will tip our close elections in favor of democrats.  They will continue to get democrats elected election after election.  In return the demo-
crats will pass more and more amnesty laws, which will also make many employers happy to increase their profits by lowering their labor costs. Some employers will avoid paying minimum wages, no health care, and no pensions.  Soon our middle class will join our poor
to become a peon class like Mexico's rich have fostered for decades in Mexico. Is this the goal of G. W. Bush, Vincente Fox, and many democratic congresspeople?
I would like to echo what "A Human Being" from Nebraska writes. Many of the people that have made comments have forgotten about what it means to be part of the HUMAN RACE. I guess these comments just go to show that there are many different view points that weigh in on the current immigrations situation. I think "A Human Being" states it the best!  Let's not forget where our ancestors came from. Viva la raza! And, no, I'm not an illegal immigrant. I'm a third generation American. If I can't spell...well...blame it on public education...maybe if our government spent more money on education than on war, we would all spell better....maybe people would stop assuming that because someone has poor spelling, grammar, or syntax they MUST be an illeagal "alien". How rediculous!
Just kick them out we will deal with the problems as they arise and If we trufully need more legal workers them we can bring them back legally.
Well said Nebraska.....$15.00 watermelons,  new homes will double in cost (if they can even get built), road and highway construction will cease because it will be too expensive.
All you white (which I am), xenophobic Americans can kiss your country club memberships goodbye. Who will mow your pristine putting greens?

What are we going to do with these jobs? Give them to whites and blacks? Are you kidding me??

Yeah that's it...kick them out and then what? You people are too selfish and self centered to even see past the hood of your $40,000 FOREIGN made cars.

Don't believe me?  Just Ask GM.....no longer a car company but  a BENEFITS company....

I was born here, raised here, educated with a masters degree paid for by the US Army. Americans are seen around the world for exactly what they are:

Fat, Lazy and selfish.

All of you racists should be ashamed of yourselves. You make me ashamed to be American.
Who is more of an asset to this country? All the people on welfare that are being suported with your tax money, because "their babie's daddy" is nowhere to be seen? at least illegal aliens are hard workers, most of them working around 60 hours per week as i do, why don't you complain that?
hi "a human being" - i think the discussion was not about IMMIGRANTS, it was about illegal immigrants. Obviously, we are all descended from immigrants, but most of them came by a legal process and were naturalized. In general, while the economy may or may not benefit from immigration, i think some people feel it benefits less when the immigrants are undocumented.
If you want to make a difference, then stop going into Mexican restaurants or buying tacos, fajitas etc.  Hit 'em where they hurt.  Get off the habit of eating foreign food.  Buy and eat American food.
why are we constantly being made to feel bad because the majority of us in America do not want illegal aliens here ?  I believe that the word "ILLEGAL" exlpains the position completely.  Now, what does illegal mean ?  The last I heard it means Against the Law,  but it seems, these days, from the way many people have been acting, the meaning is not the same as I have always understood it to be. This does a grave injustice to all of the people that became American citizens the hard way, those that waited the required number of years, studied, passed the citizenship test etc. I think that the goverment should tell those who run so called sanctuary cities that if the don't stop doing this immediately that all of their goverment funding will be cut off.
This country was founded by immigrants. We welcomed them with open arms, and now our country is stronger for it. Let's grant amnesty to our undocumented workers and level the playing field. What are you so worried about, Mr and Mrs. America? Can you not stand the sight of more people of color shopping in your stores and eating at your restaurants? I wonder how much of this anti-immigration talk is just pure racism. No need to wonder, I guess. It's really all about racism.
send all illegal aliens back to their home land.
send all the people who hire illegal allians to jail.
end of problem.
if foreigners want to reside in the USA they should first respect the laws of the land that require them to enter and reside and work here legally. learn the english language, act like americans and not like foreigners living in america.  become a nationalized citizen.  contribute something. don't come here and reap our social benefits for part of the year then go back to "your country"and live high on the hog until it's time to come back and get more free handouts.  don't take advantage of our tax supported welfare system by committing  fraud.  don't ask what you can get for nothing from the american system.  ask what you can do for the people who are sharing their country with you.    
IT IS SO AMAZING HOW SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS ARE WAY OFF BASE. HOW MANY AMERICANS WOULD GO PICK ORANGES,APPLES BERRIES,GRAPES FOR A LIVING?. HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD DO LANDSCAPING FOR A LIVING?. HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD CLEAN PEOPLE HOMES FOR A LIVING?. IS THAT REALLY JOBS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU?. MIND YOU MOST OF YOU THAT WANT ILLEGALS OUT ARE THE SAME ONES WHO HIRE THEM AS NANNIES OR TO CLEAN YOUR HOMES. IT'S AMAZING THAT YOU DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE BIG COMPANIES THAT BLATANTLY TAKE JOBS FROM HERE AND BRING IT TO FORIEGN COUNTRIES FOR CHEAP LABOUR. EXPLOITING PEOPLE THERE. MIND YOU THESE SAME PRODUCTS , WHEN THEY GET BACK HERE YOU PAY TOP DOLLAR FOR IT. AREN'T THESE COMPANIES STEALING FROM YOU?E.G (NIKE,PHAT FARM,SEAN JOHN,ECHO...AND MANY MORE. INSTEAD YOU WORRY ABOUT MEAGER WAGES THAT ILLEGALS SEND HOME ONLY TO SURVIVE?.....BUSH IS SPENDING BBIIILLLLIIIOOONNSS TO GO TO SPACE AND FIGHT A WAR THAT IS UNESSESARY.........WAKE UP.
I am so sick and tired of all you racist people writing your hateful comments about immigrants. Who do you think you are? Where do you think you came from? Who made your illegal alien ancestors legal? NO ONE! What happened was, your violent, self righteus, illegal alien ancestors came to this great land, (which by the way, belonged to Indians and Mexicans), and stole it from us by murdering and bringing your filthy European deseases. So who are really the lawbreakers? Ever since your people came to this land with your racist, we're white and we're better than you attitudes, you've been murdering, stealing from and overall abusing anyone who isn't white.If you're a racist white person why don't you do everyone a favor and either keep your mouths shut, or go back to wherever your criminal ancestors came from 'cause you're infecting this country. Viva the true natives of this great country!!!!
A human being from nebraska.
I agree with you!!! Except for the natives, you people are here because your ancestors migrated to this country. What give you the right to tell others they cannot come to this country?? You are such bigots! Maybe you are the ones who do not belong here! This is the native american's country! not yours!  
Get all the undocumented aliens who work hard and pay taxes, documented! Period.
Also, who will pick your lettuces?? You?? I don't think so! And lets not count on your kids, they are way too busy, partying!
When my ancestors came to this country in 1798, there was no welfare state, no income taxes, no shelters that the locals paid for, no health care that the community paid for, no free food, no aclu to deter the will of the people- there was only the hope of a better life and the sweat of the people who created this country. Guess what-97 percent of these people were white and they did every job that needed to be done- the hispanics took over south america and the southern portion of the usa from the local population, enslaved them and created the society that they now live in. Of course it is, and has been a failed society since it's inception, and now they all want to immigrate to the usa, set up the same society they "desperately" escaped from, and destroy that one segment of the world that is an incredible success. Nature versus Nurture,hmmm. Yea, let everybody in the world who wants to come to the last bastion of civility enter without restriction-this, the greatest nation ever built, will be like the rest of the world in twenty years. Folks, is this country worth fighting for?
If illegal immigrents only take jobs americans don't want, why doesn't the government limit them to only working in those industries, if they did, the jobs would quickly fill, eliminating the incentive for continued illegal immigration. The reason that there is such an uproar over illegal immigration is that they are now wanting to move into occupations that americans historically have done, not only depressing wages but in effect making it much more difficult to obtain employment in the fist place. Say you work in an industry that normally pays you $20 dollars an hour and you apply for a job at a company that employs immigrants for $10 an hour, not only can you not compete with them economicly, you can't fit in because of the language gap.Employers like hiring illegals because due to their status they are much less likely to leave their jobs for higher paying ones,they are easy to exploit,and because of the language gap, they are percieved as being more docile than americans.
Regarding my previous comment! A different time, a different government, no laws, it's all irrelevant, they migrated PERIOD. They saw the need to move and they did it. What really makes us "American" anyway? Hanging an American flag on our front porch on 4th of July? Or is it having and allowing others the opportunity to earn a decent living? People keep posting uneducated and random comments without considering the consequences or the costs of deporting 12 million of immigrants. The problem itself is not that of people trying to earn a decent living but our government who has put this issue aside. Spanish is on the top 3 most important/influential languages not only business wise, and it's to your advantage to learn it. For those extremist radical thinkers who wish for our government to send all the immigrants back to their country, think of where would you bee if your ancestor had not been given the chance to make something of themselves. Yes, times were different, and yes, they worked hard, but why can’t we do that today? by providing an opportunity for immigrants to prove that they can too serve this country. Let have an OPEN mind and TOGETHER create a SOLUTION that benefits all of US. Let us not be selfish and share with them the so called American dream.
Illegal aliens are here because our economy needs them. As we grow we are going to need more and more immigrants, it is just a fact. We need to accept it and move on. If you feel threaten by an illegal alien taking your job or your kid's job, you have some serious problems! You live in America the land of opportunity! And if you feel that an illegal alien is taking your only opportunity, you need to think about maybe getting an education. Your ancestors came to here years ago to give you a better chance, you should not have to compete with new arrivals for work.
You mean to tell me that the United States can not deport these illegal but can invade a country (Iraq)  kill thousands of innocent people and continue to occupy their country. They don't want to get rid of these illegal aliens. Corporate america is satisfied with this
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS A COUNTRY OF INMIGRANTS, THATS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN FOR DECADES. AND NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING BUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS. WE ALL CAME HERE AS INMIGRANTS. AND IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT GEOGRAPHY, MEXICO AND ALL THE OTHER LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES ARE IN THE AMERICAN CONTINENT. SO, WE ARE ALL AMERICANS. WHY DO PEOPLE FROM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (the continent) HAS APPROPIATED THIS TERM: "AMERICANS" AS IF ONLY THEM WERE THE ONES LIVING IN THIS CONTINENT. WE AS LATINOS HAVE MORE RIGHTS TO CALL OURSELVES AMERICANS, THAN PEOPLE WHOOSE ANCESTORS CAME FROM EUROPE. BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE AMERICAN CONTINENT FOR CENTURIES.
WE ARE ALL AMERICANS.!!!!!DOU YOU GET IT? IF NOT,
YOU CAN TAKE SOME GEOGRAPHY CLASSES.
just want to know why are immigrants called terrorist? or how do immigrants bother to some people?
immigrants do everything everyone else do!!!!!  I don't get that because they don't destroy your building they build them!!!!!!!
Reading all this I feel like  in Nazi Germany, where were becoming a losers started to harass the Jewish people
I felt that we are missing the point.  It is not illegal immigrants that the program is targeting.  It is lawbreaking employers.  The law said any employer shall not knowingly hire people without proof of employment.  

An interesting fact, do you know the world most wealthier person is not Bill Gates anymore?  It is a Mexican.
It absolutely AMAZES me that people have such a limited understanding of an issue to which they have such emotional reactions.  Emotional reactions so heated that "Send them Home" is such a common theme.

The United States government has KNOWLY allowed it's border with Mexico to remain a joke.  Then again our border with Canada is not exactly an armed camp is it?

Imagine you are from somewhere below the Rio-Grande and you live in absolute squalor, your children have no real chance at an education and the job market is a complete joke.  Now to change all this all you have to do is get a few hundred miles north.  While watching your children grow up in slums and knowing if something doesn't change they will have no chance at life.  When you decide to sneak into the country is your first reaction: "Oh no, I'd like to give my family some kind of future but gosh darnit that would violate United States law.  Honey tell the kids they'll just have to get over it."

Arrest employers?  Why not arrest the INS? or maybe some ICE agents for doing such a suckful job at kicking these heathens out?  So the government throws open the doors and then blames business that we can't strap em up to lie detectors and get them to admit their less than human status.

So yes scream to have your employer closed down because he treats the wonderful hispanics like princes and princesses and forces you hard working Americans to work even harder?  Please tell me you can't actually believe that is the reason you are working in a job that has a largely hispanic, and largely illegal group of employees.  But yes by all means have your employer closed down.  That will solve your problem of being mistreated in a minute at most.

Do you people think employers knowingly hire illegal immigrants over "Americans" because they are stupid, racist, or evil greedy capitalist?

The only other thought I have is how can you be born in the richest country on the world and be actually competing for meanial labor jobs?

How do you remember to breathe?
If they are only doing the jobs that Americans won't do then why don't we pass a law limiting illegals to only working in those industries. It seems to me that nobody complained about latino laborers when they were primarily working in the agriculture industry, in recent years they have started branching out into other industries ( construction,painting, commercial fishing among others ) that used to pay living wages but have been undercut by a flood of cheap latino labor. Its not Americans fault that Latin America has never developed their economies so that a middle class can exist there, in the long run, if we continue to allow cheap labor to win out, our economies will look just like theirs, with only lords and serfs.
i beilive that all of you are wrong, us has a long history of meddling into some other countries affairs. we have made their lives misserable,and now us as americans have become blind, calling the servise men heroes, while they are in iraq. and i bet we called the ones in el salvador and guatemala in the 70s and 80s, teaching the government how to terrorize their people heroes also. i say let all come and be welcomed, as an american indian i welcome them and urge them to keep comming.
How about we get EDUCATED people from Mexico and other places as Illegal aliens?  Only the D.A.'s are coming across.  The army should have a human line on the border, North and South, with AK47's and DARE them to come across.  GO HOME!!  I would be proud to pay $15 for a watermelon when it comes from AMERICANS.  Illegals are just that, ILLEGALS!!!  You are lucky that we don't have the military there!!!!!!  However, tear gas is being used now!!  What would a Mexican say... VIVA AMERICA.  LOL  Other Americans, remember one thing, there can only be so many people in a house or apartment or the fire department can evict them.  Pay attention to those 32 people in a 1 bedroom apt.  Isn't it great the housing, especially in CA is out of their reach?  HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
CARLOS, why is my tax money paying for illegal immigrant education?  NO SPEAKY ENGLISH!!!  GO HOME.  Stay there.  I am Native American so I HAVE the highest opinion.  NO SPEAKY ENGLISH losers.  How many people live in your house?  Do you even have a house?
Vince in Seattle.  Wonder how a Mexican got to be the richest?  All the money we have GIVEN to Mexico to clean up their own country.  The US did against the UK.  Mexico, learn the lesson!!!!
Becoming a citizen involves taking an oath of allegiance to the United States; the majority of these people have no intention or desire to become a "citizen" merely have all the benefits that being here provides. The walk out staged nationwide, singing the anthem in spanish, refusing to learn the language, sending American dollars back across the border,.... All of these things are outright signs of the fact that this is not an issue merely of "immigration" but of American government allowing the invasion of another countries people. They don't want to be 'citizens' they are perfectly happy living as they do.
Someone said that there are those that would prefer to be on welfare instead of working? You obviously have no clue!! It is harder for a citizen to get assistance than it is for the illegals! Not to mention that what you can receive in assistance from the state can NOT support a household with no other means no matter how you slice it!
Yes, this country is a melting pot save for the Africans that were torn from their homes and forced to come here and whom today now have to fight the continued prejudice of the caucasian element that would prefer to hire a mexican with straight hair over a scary black person with kinky hair!! They are truly the minority now and are further trangressed by the fact that not all illegals are coming here without education and are taking advantage of minority laws fought for by the African citizens.
This is more an infestation than anything else. Did you know that if you went to Mexico as a non-citizen you could NEVER hold a government position, not even janitor in the courthouse! Do the research and you will find many more laws that Mexico itself enforces to protect their citizenship from being overrun or taken over. America needs to do no less to protect its sanctity.
You want to be a citizen, do the work!!! Get in line like all the immigrants before you and stop demanding rights and privileges you have not EARNED!!! Sacrifice for this country as those before you, give up your allegiance to another country like all those before you did!! Learn the language and BE AMERICANS.
The entire subject really is moot! As long as there is no repercussions to the employers the problem will persist. If there were no market they wouldn't be coming in droves,... There is no one in current government willing to stand up and say STOP! No more, living in America as a citizen of another country, you MUST pledge  your allegiance to the United States as our forefathers set forth.
"ILLEGAL immigrants"... It's all in the name folks.  Where's the debate??? Why should the citizens of this country respect and obey the laws yet, the entire country feels the need to endlessly discuss what to do about our "poor, down and out" uninvited intruders who obviously could care less about rules or laws enacted by OUR popular vote?  Throw them out or throw them in jail.  They have no business being here unless they want to do it the legal way.  Maybe they wouldn't be so "down and out" if they took half the energy they spend trying to sneak in and exploit our economy and focused that energy on fixing there own disaster of a country.  These people have put themselves in the situation they are in by running the country they have into the ground with drugs, crime, and violence. Letting corrupt "leaders" run everything while they sit there unwilling to do anything about.  Now they are looking to do the same with our country.  If they break the law they should be punished just like everyone else.
Mexicans are like rap music. I can't stand anymore.
As I sit here reading this long winded and quick statements I wonder what my culture would think or do?I know that they felt that back biting was disrespectful and  beneight humans and should be left for dogs and horses to do.The other end of my thinking says I worked like a horse and ended-up braking my back.I hate not being able to work or hold my grandbabies but it was I who choice to go all out for my employer and yes there was a union and I held stewardship and we as a company did well.I believe that the reason that happened was the owners were fair and knew the valve of their workers.I have come to see our workers have come to think that a uion is a right to have if you don't want to work and still get a good livable income.I am real sure that isn't the norm.But it is a reason some employers have come to think if I am going seceed I have to find workers that want to work for a days wages.
If I sound like I haven't lived long shame on you!I grew-up in a logging camp if you didn't care for your brother.You and him both would die before the sping.We didn't see color or hear not a strange voice as we all would along side each other and all prospered for an other season!!
When was the last time a Fed Judge went to Jail for aiding and abeting? This proves it goes higher than Employers. Think about it. How high does it go? Our laws should be enforced and crooks thrown out of Office.
I saw my boss at MCDONALDS receive an application for emplyment from a mexican who told him in front of me (I was at register) "I have no papers" in plain english & my boss replied: "don't worry we'll take care of it" This mexican worked for McDonalds before. I suddenly wondered was there people within this MEGACORP willing and available to fruadulently misrepresent material fact???  Why are not McDonalds Resturaunts raided by ICE OR INS OR HOMELAND SECURITY???
CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICANS--THE USA DOES NOT OWE YOU OR YOUR COUNTRY ANY LAND OR ANYTHING YOU SAY, FEEL, WANT, CLAIM. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS I DO NOT FAVOR YOU. I know you can't get welfare legally EXCEPT for SOME STATES LOOPHOLES--MIGRANT WORKER or CAN'T WORK DUE TO ILLEGAL STATUS. I DON'T BELIEVE A ILLEGAL FAMILY SHOULD QUALIFY FOR WELFARE OF ANY FORM FOR A ANCHOR BABY ON A CHILD-ONLY STATUS.

MOST WHITE AMERICANS HAD ANCESTERS WHO CAME THRU ELLIS ISLAND OR BRITISH EMPIRE STATUS plus other LEGALLY DEFINED ASYLUM & WENT THRU THE LONG LEGAL PROCESS & SOME WERE SENT BACK! BLACK AMERICANS WERE FREED AS SLAVES & yes by then all were citizens by birth unofficially.

DO NOT TELL ME YOU ILLIGALS TAKE JOBS THAT AMERICANS WILL NOT DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW A LITTLE ABOUT MY FAMILY HISTORY. I asked my grandma how her family survived the GREAT DEPRESSION, she answered that she and any able kids helped weed & harvest food, my grandparents both sides lived in rural communities with lots of farms. both german descent. They moved to the cities for jobs. MY EXTENDED FAMILY ENTERED THE USA via ELLIS ISLAND--NOT ALL FAMILY WAS ACCEPTED--SOME WERE SENT BACK TO GERMANY--FRANKFURT TO BE SPECIFIC. That meant my family had many experiences & a long trip to get here in the late 1800's. I still have family in a small-medium town. My grandfathers worked factory, worked on the railroad during the 1930's, painted and did any work they could get & paid the Dr. via cash or work benefits for 10 kids (both sides-6, 4) the larger had a disabled son who they refused to institutionalize at all from the 1930's onward. Those parents paid for their kids education in catholic-aka-parochial school for 8 years each. my grandma 1 worked as a housekeeper at a city-county hospital, my grandma 2 was hired by the US POST OFFICE.  Grandma 2 was a widowed mother aka singLe mother and took no AFDC, she worked 12 hour shifts sorting your mail with 4 teens at home. My aunt had a child out-of-wedlock as a result of a criminal act against her so I was told--she kept custody, her sister providing homemaker, childcare support & other support--my aunt financially supporting 3 people at a time when unwed mothers were ostrasized. MY COUSINS WORKED MANY DIFFERENT ENTRY-LEVEL JOBS. SOME TOOK VOCATIONAL ED, SOME COLLEGE--CASHIER, FACTORY, NURSE AID, PARA-LEGAL, CUSTOMER SERVICE REP, SELF-EMPLOYMENT, FAST-FOOD, WAITRESS & ANY JOB THAT COULD HELP PROPELL THEM FORWARD UP THE LADDER.
THE SWIFT CASE AND THIS STORY PROVES THAT THE UNIONS AND BUSINESS' ARE SLEEPING TOGETHER AND SHARE THE KICKBACKS, WHICH MAKES THEM BOTH CORRUPT. THE UNION 1149 AND 1150 ALONG WITH LOCAL 342 AND OTHERS ALWAYS TURN A  BLIND EYE FOR THE POCKET. IT'S TOO BAD THAT A COMPANY GETS FINED AND THE FINE SHOULD BE PAID BY THE UNIONS WHO HARBOUR THESE THESE PEOPLE AND COMPANIES.
The government of the UNITED STATES can ignore the laws of the land, but we as tax paying, voting legal citizens have to stay in line, why? The illegal alien criminals are here illegaly, no argument can change that, it has nothing to do with discrimination, it is all about the business that cheat the social security, and supports the theft of peoples identies...poor pancho needs to do anything he can to live off the american people....the idea that they are gears in the machinery and it would stop if we get rid of them is a joke...you people who support illegals and their criminal acitivity are fools...the government of the USA, is breaking their own laws, and are lieing about the fence, and anything they can do to stall deporting these criminals...ILLEGAL ALIENS CRIMINALS HAVE NO RIGHTS, THE ONLY RIGHT THEY HAVE IS TO LEAVE THE USA. THESE CRIMINALS ARE CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE OF AMERICA, IRVING TEXAS IS LOOKING LIKE A BORDER TOWN WITH ALL THE CRAP THEY BRING FROM MEXICO...THESE ILLEGALS DON'T OBEY ANY LAWS, THEY WILL  DO A U TURN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, THEY DON'T RESPECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEY HAVE ATTATUDE THAT WE ARE GRINGO'S WHO HAVE TOO MUCH, AND THEY DESERVE TO BE HERE, BECAUSE OF SOME STUPID EXCUSE THAT WE STOLE THE LAND...I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS AMNESTY IN ANY WAY...THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS, THEY ARE CRIMINALS WHO SNEAK INTO OUR COUNTRY ANY WAY THEY CAN....The American's who fight for the rights of these criminals should leave with them...controlled immigrantion is the onlyl way..letting over 20 million criminals and their families here to have babies at our expense, inorder to have an anchor baby should be illegal...to change this country to look like mexico, and fly their flag, and demand their rights, is insulting...I would never sneak into some country and demand my rights, i would get shot if i tried that in mexico...this whole argument of they should stay is insane...we have enough poor people in this county, enough drugs dealers, and criminals...why would you as an american latino, support this invasion? because you are the real raceist, every body want's to come here and change us or take over, either with their taco stands or their mosks....If you don't like it as an illegal, then leave, we don't want or need you here...
If we're going to allow people who are in this country ILLEGALLY to not have to face any penalities, then how about this county just do away with laws alltogether? Lets let every person who is behind bars or on death row be let out because ILLEGALS are breaking the law anyway, along with totally expunging their records. If you can let ILLEGALS get away with breaking the laws in this country, then you can let native-born TAXPAYING AMERICANS get away with breaking the laws! One intresting side note: I notice that there would be plenty of job takers in these low-income jobs if employers would have the guts to hire ex-offenders instead of just conviently turning them down. Why is it all right to hide under the "negilent hiring" theory to CONVIENTLY deny ex-offenders who want to work, decent jobs to turn their lives around, while businesses see nothing wrong about hiring people who are in this country ILLEGALLY?!  How about thinking about that, America?!!
Human in Nebraska your touchy, feely, peace, love and happiness would be wonderful were it not for the fact that there are more Mexicans benefiting from the hard work on the backs of Americans that have sacrificed and pledged allegiance to this country. If it were truly a matter of "a better life" then why are they not embracing that way by doing everything possible to be a part of the country instead of the States doing everything possible to accomodate them, their language, and their culture.  No other group of immigrants, legal or and especially illegal, have ever come here in such numbers and demanded they be allowed to not only stay but also refuse to learn the language or accept the States as their first country. I am not spewing hateful, condescending remarks in an effort to belittle anyone. I am stating the obvious problem for what it is, that was then this is now is not acceptable! In a country that has thrived in it's 'laws' for it's own government to turn on itself and allow a mass invasion of over 12 million foreigners with no allegiance to this country is absolute insanity!!We have our own poor and indigent that we make no efforts to care for some mentally ill and simply elderly and forgotten about we pass on the streets as if they are not there. Perhaps some of that good citizenship needs to be shared with them? Some of the resources that are assisting in medical care for the 'illegal' aliens and paying for the high population of mexican prisoners could be used to allow some of those social workers to gather these people off the streets or maybe not turn them out to begin with and help house some of the many abused and ignored children in our own country. "Physician, heal thyself", I say to America.
Fellow Human Being, you sound as though you are all for the profit margin created by this class of 'illegal' immigrants. America is a capitalist country and the only thing big business understands is the impact to their bottom line. My fear is that it is not just big business it is all businesses, small and large.
Who did these jobs before there were so many 'illegal' immigrants doing them? It's insane to think that we, as a nation, would fall apart without this group of people. It is not even the real issue!
The real issue is what impact they are having in their efforts to NOT assimilate; what becomes of this nation when it is 30 million people and none of them have allegiance to this country???? Do we then fight them on our own land? We wouldn't stand a chance though would we,...
Yes they do these jobs and earn less money, to start with. I think the saddest thing here is that no one seems to recognize the reality that we are becoming more a hispanic country than they are becoming Americans. If what they want is the "American Dream", doesn't that include citizenship, learning the language, fitting in as opposed to what is happening?
Companies, small and large, that continue to hire these people are paying a smaller wage to sell this country out from under those that earned their rights as our laws stated we had to when it was created. How many of these 'illegal' immigrants would die for these same rights? How about amnesty for families that send one of theirs to fight for this country? Our brothers, sisters, fathers, daughters, uncles,... All of them that have fought for this nation as well as others, how many of them were Mexican illegals? Dying so that I could have the freedom to speak my mind, emotionally or not, as I please without fear of reprisal? If you want to be American it needs to be in for a penny, in for a pound,... If my child can go to war and possibly lose life and limb protecting the rights of this country or helping someone else do so then theirs need to also!! Wait, they don't accept illegal immigrants do they?
#1 First and foremost, yes... all illegal immigrants need to be deported.
#2 Anchor Baby law needs to be repealed.
#3 Quota set and enforced reguarding quantity of  
  temporary workers permitted inside the USA.
#4 Enact the " Federal Illegal immigrant work program " ie: Article (A) All children age 17 or below of illegals will be deported, and released to family members of home country. All adults age 60+ shall be immediately deported.
Article (B) All adult illegal immigrants 18 years of age, to age 60 shall serve a minimum of 6 months, maximum of 12 months in this program before being deported.
Article (C) Work shall be provided by the US goverment in a way as to deter repeated entry into the USA illegally. Some methods included in this program shall include Roadside clean-up, Construction of low income housing, Sorting trash at a Federal Recycling Center and other similar jobs that an American would not do.
Article (D) No wages shall be paid, Labor involved should provide sufficient service to the American Public, to cover cost of housing, food, medical and supervision during incarceration period.
#5 Maximun penalties for Employers who hire illegal
  immigrants...... ooops... oh wait, if we do this, then even more jobs will go to india or china, there will be even less jobs out there for US citizens. Oh...thats right...we will force illegal immigrants down the US peoples throats, if they don't like it..screw them, we'll just take our factory to china, pay way less than we have to pay a US citizen...and they still will have to buy from us... thats right, wake up next time you are in Walmart...look where that cheap stuff comes from. Welcome to Globalization, and The " New World Order ".

Good Luck... Your politicians belong to Corporate America...
I see no difference between this illegal immigration hiring and people working in China; it's all slave labor, as far as I can see.  I thought the U.S. got rid of slave labor along time ago?
During the climb of Hitler and the Nazi's to power they used the threat of the Jews ruining their economy.  I do agree that wages are depressed when illegals are hired, however, what's more frightening is the fact that they pay little, or no, social security taxes, and no taxes toward Medicare.  Both systems are going broke right now; in fact, our entire social infrastructure is in trouble.
My son tried to get a job this last summer working in landscaping.  He is a 16 year old with good grades and a strong work ethic who wants to work.  The company that we talked to told him that they would not hire him because they would have to get insurance, pay SS and Medicare, and pay him minimum wage.  All of this they did not have to do using illegal immigrants and paying cash each week.  Bush says the illegals do the work that Americans are not willing to do, so we need them.  That is "CRAP".  IT is time to restore the work advantages to our own and our own kids and stop giving everything away and hurting our own.


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