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Don’t threaten to beat deadbeats

Posted: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:42 AM by Eve Tahmincioglu
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When someone doesn’t pay you what you’re owed for the products you make or the service you provide don’t threaten them with bodily harm.

I love that piece of advice from the National Federation of Independent Business.

I know deadbeats can make you want to hit someone, but cooler heads must prevail or you could end up in jail. It’s harder to collect when you’re in the slammer.

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One small business owner Jay Goldberg, owner of Bergino, a company that makes handmade gift baseballs handled his deadbeat perfectly, even though he still hasn’t gotten his money.

A large catalog company based in Missouri since last year has owed him money.

“The irony of this whole thing is when I sell to a little retail shop I have them pay me upfront, but for larger accounts they always get terms,” he says, rethinking his strategy now.

They’re supposed to pay him within 30 days and if they don’t, Goldberg’s typically pretty lenient and gives them another 30 days. After that he starts to follow-up.

He started making calls to the deadbeat company and “right away I got a bad vibe. I made call after call, and then I spoke to a person in charge of accounting. She told me ‘you’ll get your money. Don’t worry.’”

At that point it was 80 days from the time he had delivered his products, and the person in accounting promised him he’d get a check in the next few weeks.

And surprise surprise, the check never came.

Finally, he got in touch with the president of the company who was very nice on the phone, and informed him that the company had been going through some problems. The president told Goldberg he could not pay the whole amount owed because the firm did not have the money.

Goldberg made a deal with the president that included accepting 50 percent of what was owned but he’d have to be paid within 10 days.

Well, weeks went by and, nothing.

The amount he’s owed is $2000. That might not sound like a lot on the surface, but for a small company that’s a big deal.

But the total isn’t enough to justify Goldberg flying to Missouri to sue the deadbeat firm in small claims court.

So, he contacted the Attorney General’s office in Missouri last month and filed a claim.

I called over to the state’s AG’s office and the press secretary there, John Fougere, told me the staff there makes an effort to contact the party that is the target of the complaint. And then they attempt to mediate the issue.

Last year, he says, the office returned $9.3 million to consumers and small businesses through informal mediation, without going to court.

Fougere says the AG’s office tries to get to each complaint as soon as possible, often within a few weeks.

“We encourage consumers or small businesses in the state or anywhere in the U.S. if they have an issue with a business or other entity based here to contact our office,” he stresses.

Not getting money you’re owed is a big problem for small firms. According to the NFIB 65.7 percent of companies report cash flow was a continuing problem, and of those nearly 30 percent say that “difficulty collecting money owned you” was the main reason.

When dealing with a leech advises Steve Strauss, author of “The Small Business Bible”,  “If the relationship is already fractured then a small claims case may make sense. It will certainly get their attention. Before that, after playing nice and asking repeatedly and pleasantly to be paid, I might get a lawyer to write a letter. It is business-like and professional, but it will also serve notice that the matter needs attention.”

And some more don’ts from NFIB:

* Calling or communicating with the debtor so frequently that it could be considered harassment.
* Using obscene or abusive language.
* Communicating with the debtor's employer or family members.

Goldberg hasn’t engaged in any of the no nos, but that doesn’t mean he’s not angry. “I’ll keep going. I’m not done with this guy,” he adds.


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Too bad states like Florida, NJ and Texas essentially allow their businesses to shaft an out of state company, go out of business on Friday and reopen in the same location Monday under a new name...there should be a debtors prison
I'm a small business owner.  It's pretty obvious that you don't threaten people with bodily harm.  If you do, you deserve to be put in jail for being a moron.  Threats will not help your business thrive.
Mr. Goldberg learned a lesson I try to teach my clients before they have to learn it the hard way. Small businesses should offer terms only if they can afford to go without being paid. Otherwise, they are gambling their companies' futures. If they may not survive a late payment, then they shouldn't make the deal.
My consulting firm advises clients in a cash flow crunch to use a payment and delivery schedule to insure on-time payment; especially if they are selling professional services.  All you need to do is request a percentage up front, then additional percentages as key parts of the services are delivered.  That way, you reduce your risk and keep the cash flow.  
Sometimes we small at home businesses have it made I guess, we don't ship until payment is received!
Of course our sales don't come as fast either, but if you don't ship the product until the payment is received, you don't get stiffed!
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I recently filed mine...I hope this is not the case...good onlinr source I used is www.civiltree.com hoping they can get the job done!
The customers of my business are across all vertical markets. Most of my customers pay right when work is completed. There are a few that I do bill but get payment within a week. I find it ironic that the few clients I do have that are deadbeats are attorneys.

I assume it's because they know that trying to collect is a pain in the neck and just laugh off the "lawyer" letters. What would they do to me if I refused to pay them their $250 per hour?
I've had only one problem with this from one of my clients, it was the end of the season and it was time for him to pay me and he never did because he thought that it wasn't his problem because he moved and he never told me.  He won't answer my calls and I am never going to see that much needed money.  Why are some people such pains?!
Ever wonder why you didn't know:

1. your new client was a slow-pay or no-pay?

2. your architect or engineer went to Contractor's Hell University?

3. your inspector whose sister had a grudge against you?

4. your window or cabinet supplier promised delivery in two weeks
    and didn't show for two months?

5. your sub had a gambling problem?

6. your general was a stiff to every sub he ever hired?

Maybe you knew about these people, maybe you were damaged by them, but you took
the lumps, kept your mouth shut, and moved on to the next job, but the unfairness still
ticks you off, and you think about it, and wonder "What if my kid came after me on that job,
what would I do, or want done?"

We in the building trade don't whine. We do the job and bitch to no one but our wives
or husbands or significant others, and the problem guys don't go away, they just
keep on doing business the way they've always done.....and nobody stops them.

Until now.

thecontractorsside.com is out to strengthen the business of building.
ALL OF IT.

We don't want to put them out of business, but we do want to arm our people
with information that will prevent problems before they can crop up.

If you are dealing with a liar, no matter how smooth, wouldn't it be better if
you knew when he was lying, where he was hedging? Of course.

thecontractorsside.com is a person to person website where anyone in the trades
can post a story about what to watch out for. And it's completely fair. The site will
automatically generate an e mail to the person posted, and that person can come back
and post a reply. (If you want to post anonymously you can, and you don't have to put in
the e mail of the other person if you don't want to.)

thecontractorsside.com was launched on April 2, 2007, and we've had 70,000 hits
so far, and we've had word back from all over the country from people in the trades
who feel great about getting their stories off their chest. We've also heard from Europe
and South America, so you see you are not alone.

Log onto thecontractorsside.com and see how you feel about the site. Better yet,
have your significant other take a look.

We hope you see the value and use the site.

Thanks,

Lee W. Dodson
Carpenter, Contractor, Hillside Builder
Owner: thecontractorsside.com
Dear Fellow Contractors

Please resend this email to the Los Angeles Times  (robert.lopez@latimes.com) and then send this on to ten other contractors and so on, so we can let the press know how honest contractors feel.



Thecontractorsside.com


Read with interest your story on unlicensed contractors being busted.

This is of interest to legitimate contractors everywhere, however, I do not see and have not seen one
article anywhere, in any publication, that gives favorable mention to the contractors who slug it out
every day in a tough business.

Contractors already know that unlicensed contractors hurt the business, but reports of this nature
tend to tar all contractors with the same broad brush. In this state, contractors operate under the
most stringent rules in the country,

Contractors must not only be licensed, they must carry a bond, must carry workers' compensation
insurance or self insure, and are required to go to mandatory arbitration without recourse to appeal
in the case of dispute.

Add to these facts that the codes and regulations, price increase in permits, and heavy zoning restrictions,
and the cost to the contractor has skyrocketed in the past few years.

The customer does not know the intricacies of the business of contracting, nor does the customer
care. He looks at price, and there is where the cheap guys see an opening, i.e. unlicensed
contractors.

The licensing process (testing, evaluating, authorizing) is fairly good, but the process needs streamlining.
It can take months to move forward. But after the licensing process is successfully completed, the licensing
entity becomes the adversary of the contractor, rather than becoming the ally. The Board becomes solely
an advocate for the consumer, leaving little doubt that the contractor bears burden of proof of innocence.

Accusations of malfeasance against the contractor weights in favor of the contractee, and the contractor
bears the total burden of expense while the other party simply shows up, the State on his side.

The bonding companies, knowing they own the contractors' business, can charge maximum fees for a
"required product,' and they do. In my investigations into bonding companies, I have found not one
contractor who has received the advertised "preferred rate" for bonds. Bonding companies do an absolutely
perfect "bait and switch" maneuver that nearly always results in doubling the original cost of bond.

Workers' Compensation packages soar in expense as another "required cost of business." Due to the
overwhelming number of fraudulent claims, the snail-like pace of adjudication and settlement, the
ineptitude of investigators, the onerous medical proving up, the system is burdened at more than
quadruple its capacity, thereby increasing costs to the insured which, in turn, is passed on as
increased cost to the end user.

Add to these facts the unending number of stories of "bad contractors" who rip off the clientele, and
any story, repeat any story, dealing with the construction trades rises to a tacit indictment of all
contractors, unlicensed or duly licensed.

One might ask if the licensed contractor has any recourse but to report unlicensed contractors, and
the answer is no. Most contractors are loath to become involved with any authorities over any but
the most egregious of violations because it does not serve their interests and because most
contractors want to stay off officials' radar. Anonymity is the best protection.

One might further ask if anything has been done to help small contractors. Again, the answer is
no. Legislatures and government bodies have done absolutely nothing, passed no laws, written
no new regulations to help those whom "if you drove on it, if you work in it, or if you live in it, a
contractor built it."

Courts have been no better. In Southern California, according to the L.A. Times, seventy-five per cent of
all civil actions involve construction related cases. My research indicates that the contractor may as well
stay on his or her current job to make the money he or she will need to pay off the judgment because,
from Small Claims to Superior Courts, eighty-five per cent of the time the ruling is for the client.

This anti-contractor attitude has evolved from a belief that contractors make a killing on every last
project. The reality is that most small contractors work to a less than twenty percent markup that is
rarely achievable. Most small contractors do well to reach a ten per cent profitability, if that.

Across the nation, the situation is remarkably the same. Since I launched my website:
http://thecontractorsside.com, I have heard from thousands of contractors the same
series of complaints about identical issues, but the one foremost complaint is the use of
official bodies and rules to either reduce payment, or to not pay at all.

Why is this complaint so common? The easy answer is that there are a lot of cheaters out there,
but it could well be that cheating has become institutionalized as a product of unbalanced
regulation on a business which may be the only business in our country that remains
unable to be outsourced.

I heard recently from a contractor who boasted he had never been stiffed on a payment in
his twenty-five years of plying his trade. I thanked him for his call and asked if he might
have any advice to contractors who had not been as lucky. He rattled off a few well-known
practices and said if a contractor followed the rules, he would be paid. I thanked the man
and sat down to write my constituents his wisdom.

Yesterday, the same contractor called with the news that while he had played by the rules,
done his due diligence, he had just yesterday been stiffed for $8000.00. He was still stunned
by the event. Needless to say, he registered on the website ten minutes later.

What can be done to improve the lot of the small business contractor who has next to no power
with officialdom or media?

Because the small contractors have no true advocacy aside from small publications and loosely
organized trade associations, they have limited access to redress, and few speak on their behalf.
Their sole recourse is to become educated as to their market, and that means sharing information.

There are business seminars and coaching institutions which can help in the "business" of the
business, but these entities focus on individual practice rather than a group effort towards
commercial overview. Again, the contractor is isolated, insulated from information essential
to the conduct of informed practice, i.e. good customer, iffy customer, bad customer up to and
including suppliers, officials, banking institutions, architects, and engineers.

No one shows any intention of taking the contractors' side, therefore, the contractor must take
his or her own side in the work of improving the business, and this means in the area of
policing not only unlicensed contractors, but also in the area of policing every area of
contractor-societal interconnect, including self- and client-education.

If contractors initiate the improvements, the effect can be far-reaching and effective, but they must
take action to preserve the small business venue.

If the small contractor opts out, the results for the economy can be disastrous. Prices for construction
will soar when the only bidders are large companies who perforce control the market.

It is said that this country runs on small business. It employs more people than major corporations,
provides more peripheral and entry level jobs, is more responsive to market pressures, is more highly creative is
problem solution, and is truly the backbone of the nation.

The contracting business needs some good news and good press.

http://thecontractorsside.com is the only resource for this kind of information and the only
established advocate for the contractor. If you want to know what's happening in the construction
business where it really matters and where to take action, this is the place.

I am cc'ing this message to my constituents so they can sign onto it in agreement and
send it to you so the thousands of diligent, honest contractors can finally get some credit
where it is due.

Respectfully,

Lee w. Dodson
3232430404
thecontractorsside@gmail.com


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