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Don’t bring back the 1980s

Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:33 AM by Eve Tahmincioglu
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I cleaned out my closet this past weekend and I came across a horrific suit from the 1980s. The shoulder pads were too big, the waist was too small, and the bright orange and green fabric was anything but just right.

The 1980s were not only a frightening time for fashion, the decade also ushered in one of the worst recessions on record -- even worse than the one we find ourselves in now.

So, in an attempt to look on the bright side of life, I'd like to point out that the economy could be in worse shape than it is right now.

It could be 1980.

At least that's what many of the economic experts say.

Aside from the Great Depression, the economic downturn that ran from 1980 to 1982, and even the one we saw in the mid-1970s, were both the worst of times for small businesses, according to William Dunkelberg, chief economist for the National Federation of Independent Business, a trade association.

While the economic indicators are now hovering near the low levels we saw nearly three decades ago, Dunkelberg isn't panicking and doesn't think small business owners should be fearful either.

"We'll get through this year as always," he said. "It's the private sector that will save itself, not the government."

But "getting through" this downturn doesn't mean we'll be going back to the pre-recession craziness, he added.

When I asked Dunkelberg if the credit markets will be opening up again soon, he was pretty blunt:

"Compared to what? They wont go back to what they were, so credit will not be as easy as it was, thank goodness," he stressed. "Plenty of credit for good risks, but no more 120 percent interest-only mortgages. Banks are finally becoming more careful about who they lend savers' money to."

And what about those spend-a-holic consumers of the recent past? When will they start spending again, especially if they are out of work?

It's those of us who still have jobs that caused the lousy fourth quarter, Dunkelberg said, by not spending and driving the U.S. savings rate from 0 percent to 5 percent. (Still, that's nothing to brag about, he added -- it used to be 12 percent). This spending strike led to a reduction in retails sales and a decline in orders and inventories.

However, he continued, "We are deferring spending well beyond sustainable levels, so demand will soon bounce back and it could be very quick. More houses will be built, more cars bought, more equipment purchased.”

I love to hear good news, or at least a bit of optimism for a change.

Let's just keep our fingers crossed that we don't relive the economy of the early 1980s.

But ominous signs persist.

I hear there's going to be a musical on Broadway called "9 to 5" -- it's based on that classic film about women and crummy work conditions in the 1980s that starred Dolly Parton.

And big shoulder pads are again showing up on runways.

This from the Associated Press last month:

Remember the '80s, when big hair and even bigger shoulders were the height of chic? The designers at New York Fashion Week won't let you forget.

Yes, the shoulder pad is back.


Oh man, head for the hills.

Me, I'm heading to the garbage bin to retrieve that 1980s suit.

What's your take? Is this economy worse than the 80s?

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my freind.  

of all the stupid things i have heard in the last 19 years since the 1989 ended this has got to be the stupidist. Last time i checked. You tell me.?

last time i checked. I dont remember any school shootings in 1980 or 1985. Or church shooting or college shootings.

Or  17 million illegals. Or work today get fired today economy. in 1985

I dont Remember us being Enslaved to a service economy.  in 1985

I also dont remember Pants down to the floor.  I dont remember the bloods and the crips and cartels controling our streets.  in 1980 or 1985

I dont remember in 1985 Everyone having to Mandatorily have a mutual fund just in case.! of who knows what.?   in 1985 A matual fund was optional.

Today it's mandatory. These Funds eat more than 20 percent of our salaries

but are needed cuase of employment Insecurity.  

Employment security was rampid in the 80's. So mutuals where never needed. And transiantcy Was unheard of in the 1980's. Today job jumping is everywhere.  and mutuals are needed for survival.

in 1985 there was need for one. And you where an idtiot if you had. Cuase there employment security.    

In 1985 ( and i know cuase i use to buy it every day ) i dont remember milk being at 4.30 cents.


in 1985 or i don't remember out sourcing of 6 million jobs.

I don't Remember in 1985  A person having to compete with a 3 rd worlder for a wage.

in 1985 I don't remember people having to work all hours of the eve or Night just to make a living.


And in 1985   i dont Remember

Insurace for a car being 250 dollars a month.?

a 200 percent increase in 25 years.?????????

hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

in 1985 i dont remember   a car payment being  450 dollars......

a 250 percent increase.....


In 1985  i dont remember Gasoline being   2.50 cents.


In 1985 or 80 or anytime in the 80's  i dont Remember

the defeceit being 3 trillion...


my freind


the biggest worry we had in 1985 1980   1988 and 1987.

was Madonna and micheal jackson...??...


and

that  

was

it.


I will argue Agaisnt your position anywhere you like in t v or web or anywhere.

those where the greatest days of most peoples lives over 30.


And  they where 1000's of times better And more sound than any day after

1990.

Infact the post Soviet Era and Cold Era Management of this country after 1989.

Has been an abomination.


by my account the only thing that has worked after 1990. Without worry

Is direct deposit  lllolll....

i absolutely Reject and refudiate your opinion and your argument.

on all levels...


thank you.

the 1990's and the first 10 years of this century.

Has been a total Net loss.  complete loss and transfer of wealth ever known.


so please go reaching somewhere else.



thank you..........
 

My illiterate friend here, has a few points, which, sadly, you must wade through his poor grammar and spelling to figure out.

The 80's DID have drugs, coke was my favorite then.  The music was great, the politicians were sleazy, but the money had its own troubles and the world was afraid of Ronald Reagan.  Nancy, on the other hand....

We had our own troubles, this decade has it's own.  But it is nearly over, and when it is, there will be two years of panic over 2012 when the Aztecs (and Nostradamus)said the world would end, which it didn't in 2000, so I think there will simply be more cults and suicides.  No decade is better or worse than any other, they simply have their own quirks.  

Happy New Year.
This editor and her kind modernists of today will never admit it.  but that's ok.    What she and other like her are really trying to say.? is that with the Internet with the media
with computers. cell phones cable wirless  ,..,,.llloll,..,.,   instant commnication.,.,,..,.

etc,.,



why cant We equal the greatness of the 80's.


i think thats what shes really trying to say. (in code )  llol..


Answer to that.  Honey the 80's blew these times away on many levels.


but especially economic.


they where by no means perfect.  but great compared to now.? In fact when you think about it.?

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it's the last 2 decades that made the 80's look so good. lloll...

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like i said in defesne on my generations teen years lloll.... and in defense of the greatest decade...

i will argue her point by point in any media venue.

And win.!

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.,

my tip is go fix the time your in now.  and leave the 80's alone where it belongs in the hall of fame. along with 1950's  1940's. 1812  1776 1918  1920's

lloll...


Irregardless of the grammar of the first comment - many valid points were made but the biggest change of all since the 1980's - the lack of "common sense" anywhere!    

Everything today is "me me" - be impressed with me!  Do not worry about tomorrow or the next day - just "me"!!!  

Yup - so many couples - like in two people w/no children or pets - need brand new 2500+ sq ft homes (first home must be brand new - starter home - what is that??); brand new SUVs; go all over the world on vacations; eat out all the time - easy credit has meant easy times and now the house of cards has come down!

The 1980's were a major turning point in many ways but at least back then - there was still some common sense i.e. 20% down; starter "existing"  home; 30-year fixed rate mortgage; people actually wore clothes that fit them and those that had children actually knew how to discipline them and teach them how to be adults; greed with everything was not running un-regulated and rampant everywhere and it goes on and on but those days are gone!  
This editor and her kind modernists of today will never admit it.  but that's ok.    What she and other like her are really trying to say.? is that with the Internet with the media computers. cell phones cable wireless  ,..,,.llloll,..,.,   instant commnication.,.,,..,.

etc,.,



why cant We equal the greatness of the 80's.


i think thats what shes really trying to say. (in code )  llol..


Answer to that.  Honey the 80's blew these times away on many levels.


but especially economic.


they where by no means perfect.  but great compared to now.? In fact when you think about it.?

+   +


it's the last 2 decades that made the 80's look so good. lloll...

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like i said in defesne on my generations teenage years lloll.... and in defense of the greatest decade...

i will argue her point by point in any media venue.

And win.!

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.,

my tip is go fix this disastorous Work enviroment we are in now.

and leave the 80's alone where it belongs in the hall of fame. along with 1950's  1940's. 1812's  1776 1918's  1920's and maybe the 1840's.

lloll...


and face facts the 00's and 90's where a flop largley along with 60's early 1970's 1930's  1800's  1790's.

flop flop !!
man look the 80's where great period. im telling you. that it's these mordenists.  that cant believe there time is such a failure. and a calamity. That now they are now going after the greatest decade.

And i knew this time would come too...  after people from those days largely faded...

reagan trump  micheal jackson madonna at least there influence...

now comes people like the editor questioning the greatness of the era...

And it's economics.  

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i think it's just a Contomparay and Modernist Reaching.

if you ask me..

totally reaching...   the early 80's.?

of course the early 80's was a fiasco this guy was correcting jimmy carter and his mess...

Just Reaching  


like i said go fix the time your in now.  Go see if you can equal Even one year of stability......??....

that was even close to the worse year between 1982 and 1989.

and that year was 1983.

Go see if you can find even one year between 1989 too 2009

as stable as even that year.

man take a hike  llloll.....

Plain reaching.....

if you ask me...

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and i picked the worse year.... go find any year as stable as '83 even the worse year..
Agree with "Common Sense??? Mid-West"... the 80's got us going on a great track after the disastrous 70's, don't you remember? I DO!

then, the "me, myself and I" crap that has gone on to permeate not just our country but by now the entire planet started in the "gay old 90's"...

...yes, happy happy joy joy, happy happy, joy joy...!

...the Cold War was over and lets spend and borrow and create a fake great economy, a fake financial ballon on the back of easy credit, fake business suscesses (Enron and the Dot.com mess anyone) and goverment slashing military budgets in half to create a fictitious "budget surplus" while the dark clouds of terrorism and wars were coming our way...

but it didn't matter, "Monica please come here and satify me...!"...yes, "me myself and I" all the way! .... sure, lets start lending to people who don't even have a job, or even illegal aliens...yes you too can buy a 1/2 million house with no job and no papers...! lol!

nice!

so please, thank the gay old 90's for the mess we are in today... and yes I do miss the 80's, at least things were more predictable.
Really--people don't realize how good or what “proud of being an American” meant back in the 80's.  Today, every single minority has turned into a majority simply by bullying (read: small dog big bark) or labeling people--and let’s not forget this whole "PC" crap / movement.  I'm not at 1/2 of my life expectancy yet I'm already turning in my grave.

I-kid-you-not-folks, times right now are absolutely horrible when you look at things taking place and people not truly understanding (or caring) what's in play right now.  I fear for my kids' future, because America (if it continues down the current course) is not going to be America anymore in the next 10 years.

Instead of standing up and fighting for what is right, America is cow-towing to the lowest common denominator.  Instead of respecting people’s opinions and the majority consensus, people care only about themselves and what’s “good for them”.  There is no personal responsibility, there is only blame.

What is comes down to is people simply don’t care except for themselves, and only want more (from the government) without working or earning it.  This is what you call the death of a republic.

Great job people.
I would gladly take the 1980s over this decade!!  I would gladly take the 1980s over the 1990s!! We were so much better off. We were not bogged down in two wars half-way around the world. We were NOT in debt to Red China in the BILLIONS (TRILLIONS?) of dollars! In fact, there's no way in hell Ronald Reagan would have let us get so in debted to a communist country. Damn, I wish I could call Mr. Peabody and his Wayback Machine and go back to a time (1980) before all this mess!
Well, there was one bad part about the 1980's:  the apparent lack of education in spelling, grammar, and punctuation.  Sorry, "ramon hallandale fl", but how can you expect someone to take your points seriously when the second word in your post is spelled wrong?  It's spelled "friend", buddy.  You should just stick to playing with your Reagan and Ollie North Cabbage Patch dolls and let people that have higher than a fourth grade education do the talking.
Hey Common Sense there is no such word as irregardless.  
folks even with my bad spelling Miss editor.

I Resta mundo my case. And big ups to union city thats where im from...

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like i said leave the 80's alone go fix your own calamatous time.


like i said miss Eve Tahmincioglu


dont ruin our wonderful memories.  and also i rest my case  llloll.... real easy case cuase... its really easy to proove how bad these times are. and to get wide support for my opinion.

this is an arguement you cant win. Cuase people really had fun back then. and enjoyed there lives.

So it dosnt matter what the data shows.  Poeple are always going to defend the 80's.

actually Eve Tahmincioglu

there is one person who thinks like you.?


JIMMY CARTER lllllolll......

hahahahahhahah......  

heheheh...

he might be the only other anti 80's guy out there ...

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We are in an economic depression. I do not remember that happening in the 1980s. Also medical, insurance, and gas were very inexpensive. People could afford a home in the 1980's. And people who built houses were paid 25-30 bucks an hour.

Who is Eve Tahmincioglu ???????
My God. How illiterate are you folks? I guess Barbara Bush did know what she was talking about when she kicked off her literacy campaign as first lady. She had been to enough Republican conventions to know we were in trouble. Anyway, you are all proof that people were just as dumb then as they are now.

I was a teenager in the 80s. You folks have really bad memories. Here's a list of problems in the 80s:

Crack cocaine - Remember the Colombian cartels?
The Cold War - Remember all that debt?
Street gangs - The movie "Colors" (1988) came out in 1988.
Assasinations and attempts - Reagan, Sadat, Pope, Indira Ghandi, John Lennon
Terrorism on airlines.
Hostages in Iran.
Kidnappings in Beirut.
Worst drought since the Dust Bowl.
Family farms going under.
Amnesty for illegal aliens lead to more illegals.
Reaganomics
October 1987 crash of Wall Street
AIDS
New Coke
Iran-Contra - Arms to terrorists courtesy of the US.

Wow! That was a great decade.
I really miss the late 80's too.  You could still make a decent living as a retail salesman because people had plenty of money in their pockets.  I used to sell copies of Wordperfect and Lotus 1-2-3 for hundreds of dollars a copy and people wouldn't blink at the price.  Today salaries are in the toilet and everything is either pirated or made in China leaving no margins to support the workforce.  

Back in the 80's the FTC and the Postal Inspector actually attempted to protect you from criminal solicitations.  Today your email is filled with illegal scams and nobody can be bothered to investigate due to the overwhelming volume.

During the 80's a mugger would take your wallet and maybe a couple of credit cards.  Today, an identity thief from overseas can steal your entire credit file, clean you out and ruin you for life in a matter of hours.  And most law enforcement could care less about actually apprehending anybody.  

Do you want to know why the economy is in the toilet, just look at wages going back to Ross Perot's televised warnings.  We have been driven into a bottom-feeder society.  We wouldn't need so many NINJA home loans if companies were still paying honest wages.

As another poster from Utah mentioned, Ronald Reagan would have never put us into a situation where we were answering to China.  They now holds $2 Trillion in reserve US currency and approx $600 Billion in treasury notes.  If they dump that, they could crush us.  At least back in the 80's we still had enough sense not to be indebted to potential adversaries.  

Reagan also would NOT have blown-off a Russian invasion of Georgia, and a Chinese assault on Tibetans.  At least he knew how to speak of liberty and freedom for others under duress.

The best reason why the 80's were much better than now. . .  Food Safety.  You didn't have these huge recalls of salmonella peanuts, ecoli beef patties, tomatoes & peppers.  Nobody was getting imported melamine in their baby formula or pet food either.  The globalism of the 90's just brought us 3rd World health standards.
I really miss the late 80's too.  You could still make a decent living as a retail salesman because people had plenty of money in their pockets.  I used to sell copies of Wordperfect and Lotus 1-2-3 for hundreds of dollars a copy and people wouldn't blink at the price.  Today salaries are in the toilet and everything is either pirated or made in China leaving no margins to support the workforce.  

Back in the 80's the FTC and the Postal Inspector actually attempted to protect you from criminal solicitations.  Today your email is filled with illegal scams and nobody can be bothered to investigate due to the overwhelming volume.

During the 80's a mugger would take your wallet and maybe a couple of credit cards.  Today, an identity thief from overseas can steal your entire credit file, clean you out and ruin you for life in a matter of hours.  And most law enforcement could care less about actually apprehending anybody.  

Do you want to know why the economy is in the toilet, just look at wages going back to Ross Perot's televised warnings.  We have been driven into a bottom-feeder society.  We wouldn't need so many NINJA home loans if companies were still paying honest wages.

As another poster from Utah mentioned, Ronald Reagan would have never put us into a situation where we were answering to China.  They now holds $2 Trillion in reserve US currency and approx $600 Billion in treasury notes.  If they dump that, they could crush us.  At least back in the 80's we still had enough sense not to be indebted to potential adversaries.  

Reagan also would NOT have blown-off a Russian invasion of Georgia, and a Chinese assault on Tibetan protestors.  At least he knew how to speak of liberty and freedom for others under duress.

The best reason why the 80's were much better than now. . .  Food Safety.  You didn't have these huge recalls of salmonella peanuts, ecoli beef patties, tomatoes & peppers.  Nobody was getting imported melamine in their baby formula or pet food either.  The globalism of the 90's just brought us 3rd World health standards.
I think a lot of people remember the '80's as a great time for the same reason that the comedian Sinbad tells so many jokes about how simple the '70's were...at the time they were children or teenagers.  A 15 year-old boy reading a newspaper looks like a very smart young man because you don't see it that often.  When you're young, you're not concerned with inflation or the stock market.  People were concerned with illegal immigration, gay rights, there was Howard Beach and many other racial attacks...AIDS...Does anyone remember Ryan White having his home burned to the ground in Florida?  Crime was rampant, girls were having their earrings snatched out of their ears on the street.  Don't look now, but somewhere there are well-fed, well provided-for kids who think right now is just terrific.
Ok folks, deep breaths!

I was in high school, then college in the 80's.  I feel nostalgia for a lot of the pop culture stuff and many things were far less expensive...  certainly people were not being given the insane home loans of the last decade, at least in part because houses cost only about 1/5th of what they cost now.  

Still, I was also around for the "evil empire" rhetoric that made me and most of my classmates doubt that we'd get out of high school alive.  The 80's were the decade of "greed is good", so I don't think we can say it was a more altruistic time.  I was around for the beginning of the downturn late 80's, early 90's when it was incredibly difficult for even college grads to find jobs and another Bush was buying socks at JC Penneys, claiming that it would stimulate the economy...

The 90's felt good to a lot of people because so many of the fears that had come to a head in the 80's seemed to be receding:  the Cold War, recessions, unemployment, people coming off welfare rolls...  When the election got stolen in 2000, I think people just assumed that it wouldn't matter much because things were going reasonably well and they believed that a president could only mess things up so much... if we hadn't learned by the end of the first 6 months of Bush Jr.'s hapless administration, 9/11 and its aftermath shocked us into realizing that EVERYTHING mattered, everything and nothing.  The glut and hangover we've experience in the last few years is textbook-predictable:  we've been having a national midlife crisis trying to come to terms with our own mortality and vulnerability.  

Now is the time we need to take a deep breath and realize that every time has its wonders and challenges.  How we react to the wonders and challenges of today (An african american president/a woman nearly getting the nomination vs. rapacious corporate greed coupled with criminally irresponsible regulation for example) will determine whether we look back on the next decade with fondness or disdain.  
As I remember the post-Carter 80's we had the greatest economic expansion in my life time.  I don't fondly remember any past decade's fashion.  In hindsight they all look stupid.
Hi Val, I'm surprised, you being the grammar/spelling queen, you got it wrong. It's its, not it's, as in, "decade has its own". Also, the definition of illiterate is "unable to read or write", so ramon is probably not illiterate. But thanks for the attempted insult . The 80's rocked !
Wow. Now everyone admits the 80s were crap. Back then, if you couldn't find a decent job, it was your fault. And the Reagan years were not the great era that Republicans like to make it out to be. Ten percent unemployment. Vote with your feet. Catsup is a vegetable. Government is the problem not the solution. Conspicuous consumption. Ignoring AIDS as the gay plague. Trashing education and taxing scholarships.
The seeds of our current problems were sown during those years and we have been in a 28-year run-up to the current economic collapse.  But things are definitely worse now. The real unemployment rate is higher now because back then we didn't include military personnel in the ranks of unemployed back then. The banking failures now are more pervasive than during the S&L crisis. And the Wall Street greed is good philosophy has evolved into wholesale fraud. And least in the 1980s I could get a student loan for less than prevailing mortage rates before the Republicans trashed education in this country and relied on importing cheap talent from abroad.  
It's true each decade had it's "bad highlights" but it is only getting worse on a global scale.  Never before has the world economy been affected by the U.S. credit-bubble-burst.  Since the whole world takes a share in the credit system - they (and we) are all to blame.  The only way to fix our decade is not throw money at it (since the dollar has been undermined by the credit system) but rather completely change the credit industry.  Take a lesson from ancient jewish nation of Israel.  Their debts were forgiven after 50 years (everyone started over).  Now, if someone thinks long and hard there will still be a way to make money in this proposed system.  If we are going to exchange goods on the basis of a corrupt credit system then a complete overhaul is needed!  If it is broke - fix it!

Oh, and stop looking back on 1980's... it's the past.  We need to worry about now.
How soon we forget the S&L's!!!!!!!!!!
The 80s were fantastic! Great music and a great President. Reagan led the country out of Carter's "misery index" My father, a plumber, was out of work for part of the Carter years. High interest rates crippled the economy and virtually destroyed the housing and construction industries. When Reagan came into office, he went back to work. We did not take any flack from foreign despots either. Reagan and his ideas and policies won the Cold War. People had money in their pockets, America went back to work,we beat the Russians and it was cool once again to have pride in your country. As I member of the class of '86 I have fond memories of the 80s. I would gladly return.
OK, So everyone looks back at the 80s through whatever glasses they are wearing now. For most of us, it is nostalgic and familiar and reminds us of when we were in the prime of our lives ( not realizing that most of us are still in the prime of our lives). Politically, we faced a tsunami of world issues that in the hands of a lesser administration, could have been disastrous. Economically, we dealt with the aftermath of Carter's historically bad handling of the economy. Militarily, we returned from the ash heap of the Viet Nam experience to once again be the world's pre-eminent military force fighting for freedom and democracy. Along the way, we racked up quite a few bills to pay.

Socially, the country rebounded from the wasteland of Disco, became fascinated with the future ( both in film and fashion), and embraced good old American values again. Night Ranger and Whitesnake were being played on "Top 40" radio stations and nobody would ever dream of walking around in public with their pants around their knees.

No economic condition of the 1980's could hold a candle to what we are facing right now. We dealt with the left-over inflation from Carter's mess, and then enjoyed a pretty significant rebound, ( although to do that, Reagan did have to incur and push off some debt, which we are still dealing with now). From an education standpoint, kids had it rough then and some still do, but now we tend to make the test simpler rather than make the kid smarter. Its easier that way and doesn't make the child "feel pressure to overcome their social disadvantages to compete academically with kids who are not disadvantaged" which I think is about as intelligent as allowing banks to lend out more money than they have and then being surprised when they fail. Our society is so dumbed down now that we don't recognize when the basic structure of what makes this country great is at risk of collapse. I'll bet a lot of you think that the actions that our government is taking right now are a good idea.

Pity.
In the 1980s, we were a little more than a trillion in public debt. Today, its over $10 trillion and climbing fast.

I realize this article is focused on the private sector more so than the public, but that public debt has to create additional vulnerabilities for the private sector.

Additionally, demographics (retiring baby boomers) are working against us.
Man, you guys are living in LA LA land! The 80's stank! My parents almost lost our home when the interest rate skyrocketed to 22.8%. Remember the S&L scandal - the one that John McCain was at the center of?? Remember when engineers were waiting tables because they couldn't get work in their field? Remember living with Ronnie Ray Gun's finger on the button and the very real possibility that he might punch it in one of his astrology-influenced fits? Maybe you guys wouldn't get that one, anyway...when you grow up living in Hawaii where everything is ground zero there's a distinct worry about the possibility of nuclear war... The 80's were horrible, hideous and nausea inducing and it's all reflected in the clothes we wore, the music we listened to and the life we led "partying like it was 1999". WAKE UP!!
Hey, if you don't want that coat, send it to me! I'll make it look _good_. Throw me some photos, I'll let you know if it's up to my 'standards' and we can talk about shipping. Let these idiots fight over fiscal policy, and we'll concentrate on what really matters in the long view.
Don't forget the original nutjob school shootings - Patrick Purdy killed 5 and wounded 29 at a school in Stockton, CA on 1/17/89, then he killed himself...Laurie Dann killed 1 and injured 5 before she killed herself on 5/20/88 at a school in Winnetka, Ill.
Larry,

Your comment "As another poster from Utah mentioned, Ronald Reagan would have never put us into a situation where we were answering to China." is dead wrong.

It was the Ronald Reagan policies of 'de-regulation' that set the foundation for the current mess that we are in.  I voted for the man, twice!  So if you think I'm an idiot, I must be.  After all, I also voted for Bush Jr twice.  You would think that my 60 years of living would give me great wisdom but if you look at most members of Congress, they are my age or older.

But my point is still valid.  If you go back to the underlying reasons for our current economic mess, the basic foundations of those problems was the 'de-regulation' crusade of the Reagan administration.

Oh! And the 80's weren't that great as you may not remember but we had a stock market crash in 1987, but I do concede the 80's were better than the past 9 years.

Someone who is complaining about grammer shouldn't use the non-word, "irregardless".
Lost in all the grammar correctness in the comments is that it should be '80s, not 80's. Nod to Fred in Lancaster, tho makes this error while chiding another for an apostrophe error.
I think the "teens" of the 80's (of which I am one) cannot be the source for knowledge on the economy of the 80's. 30-somthings are not old enough to have a grasp on the economic conditions of those years. My memory is a clouded bliss of days in the 80's - all was good, colorful (very), techno, fun - yeah, cause I was a teenager. Not because the world was such a great place. If I think back to the perfect time in my life it would be the 80's. Not because the 80's were perfect, but because I was a teen and my biggest concern was how hot I look in my stonewash jeans and double stacked socks, rockin' to the King of Pop chowin' on a BigMac (cause I didn't even know what a carb was). Now, these days are bleak to me because I have a house, bills, job, kid, adult worries. My parents had those same worries in the 80's and will tell you it wasn't all florescent goodness for everyone. That is just how it was to me. But the 80's economy had its bad, and very bad, years and so do we now.
Don't mistake your Happy Days for a strong economy. As far as I was concerned, if I could afford the latest .99 cent cassette single of "Purple Rain" then the world must be in great shape. Man, what I wouldn't give to be that naive again.
Remember the Carter misery index! Reagan cut 22.8% interest to 7.5%. Won the Democrats "cold" war without firing a shot. Cut the most inhumane progressive taxes wherein you had to calculate whether working overtime was worth it or not. Reagan oversaw the greatest expansion of our economy ever! Expanding the economy in spite of super-spenders Tip O'Neil and Rostenkowski. Spending did go up to 2% of GDP but now Obama wants to raise it to 27% GDP. The highest level in history. Absolutely unsustainable. Forget the absolute numbers, look at the percent of GDP. Clinton's 90's were the product of Reagan's economy and Bill Gates bringing massive productivity gains to small business.
If you truly think the 80's was worse than what we are experiencing now, then you must be smoking crack.
For you I have one word - OUTSOURCING. No, make that two - GREED.
Jack Welch, "the worlds greatest CEO" started at GE as a plastics engineer making in the mid to low 20,000'S & left being worth between 600-900 million.
How many jobs did he eliminate?
Lincoln Electric was founded on the premise that if you worked there & worked hard that you would not only receive a bonus every year if they were profitable but also NEVER be laid off.
Well guess what they had lay-off's last year and the beginning of this. But the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported last week that CEO gave himself a 32% pay increase.
The problem is that we do not manufacture here in the good old USA any longer. Just think about when you last bought something that said "Made in the USA".
Mr. Obama never even mentions the M word (manufacturing), which is the only way to create well paying jobs.
Everyone wants to make a living doing nothing but taking from others. Labor is fast becoming obsolete.
Okay, so I was born in 1982 and I couldn't remember much from the decade except for what happend in my town, I think America was probly better off in the Reagan years than the W years. Agreeing with Ray, our economy didn't suck back then, everybody wasn't all paranoid about (ID theft, school shootings, terrorism, online predators, "PC" crap, job outsourcing - and when you phoned customer service, you actually talked to someone in America that spoke clear English, illegal immigrants taking over our country and our economic resources, we weren't scared about the big 3 automakers collapsing, etc.) Yeah, the 80's were really fun and carefree that it's too bad I was born 15-20 years too late to really be apart of it. Because the way the world is now, the 2000's is no time for a child to grow up nor try to afford college. But then again, I hope Mr. Obama can change all of that last statement between now and November 2012.
Wow. You guys need to be careful with calling each other illiterate!
I cringe mostly when I think about the 80's.  Parachute pants and feathered hair make a bad combo for elementary school pictures.  Parachute pants seriously? How can anyone compain about "pants around the knees" when a lousy invention like the parachute pant was around.  Oh yeah skinny ties and hair metal were not exactly a crowning achievement either.  On the other hand Karate Kid came out in the 80's so the whole decade wasn't a waste.
The 80's were not any better nor any worse than any other decade.  I generally look back at them with fondness, but obviously it wasn't 'wine and roses' for everyone.  I remember the explosion of the Challenger, I remember the fall of the Berlin Wall.  I remember Miami Vice, I remember Tiannemen Square.  I was young then, maybe that is why life seemed so much more simple.  I'm not sure it is that time changes, but that people do.
I'm sick and tired of people always bashing the 80's. The 80's at least was before American Idol and boy bands;.. music still existed.  You can easily consider the clothes and the hair back then funny now, but it wasn't considered that way then. If you want to compare economic swings and world violence; believe me, every decade will have them. And if I could get into Doc Emmett Brown's Delorian, I would go back to the 80's in a heartbeat!  I have faith in Obama, but we are going to be suffering from the effects of GW Bush's disastrous presidency for a long long time to come..
The Big Hair had it's place though .... not today of course, but then it was emblematic of a certain amount of, what would now be called "transitional", overt sleazy cheapness.... and proportional amounts of that are always to be considered....
The 80s were a great time to grow up in!  For those of us over 40 who remember the 80s fondly, check out the website http://www.thegreat80s.com for some great memories of a great decade.
The 1980's, 70's, 60's, are remembered as happier times in America, considering what we face in this new century. The last eight years have been a nightmare. But life goes foward.
Going back, no.  Solving today's problems, yes.
Reagan made the 80's a great abundance but the people coouldn't handle it. They left the teaching of their parents, justifing their greed.  Didn't watch the politians because they were busy building the "house of cards".  Didn't raise their children, left them to their own. Our morals have declined and now our economy is following suit, just like those who follow the world of fashion.
What America wants America gets.
All losers blame somebody/something else for their problems.  The 80s were great for those that took responsibility for their lives.  This decade has also been great.  I killed it then and I'm killing it now.  I love to eat the lunch of all you whiny losers who think the world owes you something.
You have got to be kidding.  All of this discussion over an article that started out as nothing more than humor?

From there it clearly turned to the darker side of that decade; which is what seems to be what has brought about all of this discussion.  My question to all of you is simply this - WHY?  Do you really feel totally compelled to defend (or attack) that time frame, or are you simply trying to get you 15 minutes of fame in print?

Every single decade throughout history has had positives and negatives.  If the decade in question was your favorite - GREAT.  But please try to remember that it wasn't all peaches and cream.  If you hated those years, you too need to take time to realize that there were a great many good things that transpired then.

Many of you have taken on the money issue that was raised in the original article.  Most seem to question its validity while some seem to suggest it simply didn't go far enough.  However, I haven't seen a single person take on the inflation rate difference between that time and now.  There was an individual who stated - in part - that they did not remember $2.50 (or 2.50 cents - which makes no sense at all) for a gallon of gasoline during the decade in question.  I do not question this at all; however, what does that same $2.50 in today's terms relate to during the time period being discussed?  Was gasoline really less - or more - costly then if inflation is considered?

Yes, I too have spent WAY too much time on this silly article (no offense meant Ms. Tahmincioglu).  But this one has me wondering if all of the responses by everyone was really worth it.  Do any of you feel that you have won anything?  Have you been able to overwhelmingly prove your point and thus make the naysayers on the other side see - with perfect clarity - your point?  Put simply - have any of you convinced any of the others from the other camp that they are wrong to the point where they have embraced, with open arms, your point of view about the decade in question?

If you feel you have, I would suggest that you are more delusional than Ray is if he feels he is an English major.

I hope you all have a great rest of your life and never learn that you were ever wrong.  Incorrectness is a hard pill to swallow.    
Luke

You may be correct that the seeds of large deficits were planted in the 80s along with deregulation.   However back in the 80s China was still depending on wheat shipments from the West and most of their citizens were on bicycles.  Nobody could imagine that 29 years later they would be in this position.  You can't lay this at the feet of RR.

The issue of us being indebted to China today is just a stark reminder of how much has changed between the 80s and the 00s.  The future can't always be foreseen in computer models.  In another 30 years India may be calling the shots.

Getting back to the comment about GW; running the 2nd Iraq War on Chinese loans was shortsighted.  Reagan was not a fan of Communism and I still maintain that he would not have handed a Cold War adversary that much power over our economy.  This is a strategic misstep which I hope we can correct.  

Thank you for your directed comment.


PS. I wouldn't call you names on this board.
The best time or worst time for anyone is inescapably the one they are in right now (to smack a bit of Mr. Dickens).  "Now" is all you can control and "now" is the prism through which you view yesterday and tomorrow.  Nostalgia is an amazingly powerful thing... both ways... to the good or bad.  I like what Spalding Grey always said... you don't really remember anything.  You only remember your last memory of it.  So, 1989 or 2009, it's all relative and ultimately personal for each and everyone who had the fortune to be alive to experience both.
I too reminese on the 80s to a point.  Madonna was singing like a virgin in a wedding dress telling our youth that it was ok to be slut and still wear white. It was all about sex,drugs and rock n roll; all in that order until Aides came along to put people in check that there are reprocussion to sleeping with everything in two legs and morals seemingly went to the way side.  The it's all about "me"; gee that was exciting and no one on this entire page even mentioned the "yuppies". Remember them?  The kids that were wearing Armani, Rolex watches, driving BMW's; all on mommie and daddy's money.  Oh yeah, the 80's did not have spell check!  


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