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Don’t bring back the 1980s

Posted: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:33 AM by Eve Tahmincioglu
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I cleaned out my closet this past weekend and I came across a horrific suit from the 1980s. The shoulder pads were too big, the waist was too small, and the bright orange and green fabric was anything but just right.

The 1980s were not only a frightening time for fashion, the decade also ushered in one of the worst recessions on record -- even worse than the one we find ourselves in now.

So, in an attempt to look on the bright side of life, I'd like to point out that the economy could be in worse shape than it is right now.

It could be 1980.

At least that's what many of the economic experts say.

Aside from the Great Depression, the economic downturn that ran from 1980 to 1982, and even the one we saw in the mid-1970s, were both the worst of times for small businesses, according to William Dunkelberg, chief economist for the National Federation of Independent Business, a trade association.

While the economic indicators are now hovering near the low levels we saw nearly three decades ago, Dunkelberg isn't panicking and doesn't think small business owners should be fearful either.

"We'll get through this year as always," he said. "It's the private sector that will save itself, not the government."

But "getting through" this downturn doesn't mean we'll be going back to the pre-recession craziness, he added.

When I asked Dunkelberg if the credit markets will be opening up again soon, he was pretty blunt:

"Compared to what? They wont go back to what they were, so credit will not be as easy as it was, thank goodness," he stressed. "Plenty of credit for good risks, but no more 120 percent interest-only mortgages. Banks are finally becoming more careful about who they lend savers' money to."

And what about those spend-a-holic consumers of the recent past? When will they start spending again, especially if they are out of work?

It's those of us who still have jobs that caused the lousy fourth quarter, Dunkelberg said, by not spending and driving the U.S. savings rate from 0 percent to 5 percent. (Still, that's nothing to brag about, he added -- it used to be 12 percent). This spending strike led to a reduction in retails sales and a decline in orders and inventories.

However, he continued, "We are deferring spending well beyond sustainable levels, so demand will soon bounce back and it could be very quick. More houses will be built, more cars bought, more equipment purchased.”

I love to hear good news, or at least a bit of optimism for a change.

Let's just keep our fingers crossed that we don't relive the economy of the early 1980s.

But ominous signs persist.

I hear there's going to be a musical on Broadway called "9 to 5" -- it's based on that classic film about women and crummy work conditions in the 1980s that starred Dolly Parton.

And big shoulder pads are again showing up on runways.

This from the Associated Press last month:

Remember the '80s, when big hair and even bigger shoulders were the height of chic? The designers at New York Fashion Week won't let you forget.

Yes, the shoulder pad is back.


Oh man, head for the hills.

Me, I'm heading to the garbage bin to retrieve that 1980s suit.

What's your take? Is this economy worse than the 80s?

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To:  ramon hallandale fl

I agree with you on many of your points; HOWEVER,
p-l-e-a-s-e learn to spell and punctuate!!!  A great point is often lost when your blog is full of irritating mistakes!!!
I was 20 in 1980.  I joined the service.  I don't recall the "recession" back then being ANYTHING like what's happening now.  Yes, some of the fashion was questionable, but so it what passes for fashion now - multiple facial piercings that are far more unpleasant to see than the 80's headbands, shoulder pads, and leg warmers.  The 90's were the beginning of the bad times  IMHO - and the new millennium has been even worse.  
Every decade -- every year -- has its high points and its low points.

Given all the commentary here, I thought it might be a great idea to recall Billy Joel's 1989 song on this subject!

49 harry truman, doris day, red china, johnnie ray
south pacific, walter winchell, joe dimaggio

50 joe mccarthy, richard nixon, studebaker, television
north korea, south korea, marilyn monroe

51 rosenbergs, h-bomb, sugar ray, panmunjom
brando, the king and I and the catcher in the rye

52 eisenhower, vaccine, englands got a new queen
marciano, liberace, santayana goodbye

Chorus
We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

53 joseph stalin, malenkov, nasser and prokofiev
rockefeller, campanella, communist bloc

54 roy cohn, juan peron, toscanini, dacron
dien bien phu falls, rock around the clock

55 einstein, james dean, brooklyns got a winning team
davy crockett, peter pan, elvis presley, disneyland

56 bardot, budapest, alabama, krushchev
princess grace, peyton place, trouble in the suez

Chorus

57 little rock, pasternak, mickey mantle, kerouac
sputnik, chou en-lai, bridge on the river kwai

58 lebanon, charles de gaulle, california baseball
starkweather, homicide, children of thalidomide

59 buddy holly, ben hur, space monkey, mafia
hula hoops, castro, edsel is a no-go

60 u-2, syngman rhee, payola and kennedy
chubby checker, psycho, belgians in the congo

Chorus

61 hemingway, eichmann, stranger in a strange land
dylan, berlin, bay of pigs invasion

62 lawrence of arabia, british beatlemania
ole miss, john glenn, liston beats patterson

63 pope paul, malcolm x, british politician sex
jfk, blown away, what else do I have to say

Chorus

64 - 89 birth control, ho chi minh, richard nixon back again
moonshot, woodstock, watergate, punk rock
begin, reagan, palestine, terror on the airline
ayatollahs in iran, russians in afghanistan

wheel of fortune, sally ride, heavy metal, suicide
foreign debts, homeless vets, aids, crack, bernie goetz
hypodermics on the shores, chinas under martial law
rock and roller cola wars, I cant take it anymore

Chorus

We didn't start the fire
But when we are gone
Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on...
Ok folks


As the person who bought this blog out

Of life support


I passionately

Defend my era.


These times are ruff for us all but attack the greatest era ever known


In modern times


And.     For.    The.  Most.  Lowest reason.   Chase you. Can't make. Your.  Time

Work


Too far.  So I had.  To comment



I will be writting more about this later

And.  No one.  Has to make. Ten million. Points

Just.  Vote.

1.    For.   80's.   Are.  Better


2.    For.   These times.  Are.  Better


That's.  It.  

Me.         1


I also remember the 80's fondly.  The later generations have slowly turned our entire nation into too many seperate factions to count.  We have divisions by race, immigration status, age, politics, religions, etc.  How can anybody even call themselves americans anymore?  We are a nation that has willingly divided itself.  Political correctness will, (is?), the death of this nation.  People now grow up with such a sense of entitlement, offense is taken with any percieved slight.  Our entertainment industry has been on a slippery slide to the bottom of the moral ladder for a long time, (possible beginning with the 80's and Madonna).  The nation is going to hell in a hand-basket.  I miss the 80's.
The 80's sucked!!  If you were a kid in the 80's, sure you thought it was great, because most people do look back on their childhood with fond memories.  For the first poster that said there were no gang problems in the 80's, I was hanging out around Chicago at that time and I beg to differ.
It's amusing that this author labels the 1980's as horrible based on the economy of the first three years of that decade and ignores the dramatic economic expansion and wealth creation of the other seven years. The recession of 1980-82 was a result of the destructive policies of Jimmy Carter and Democrats who held more Congressional seats from 1977 until 1981 than they hold now. It was only in 1983, after Reagan's policies kicked in that the economy boomed. For those of you who want to re-write history, please Google the election of 1984. You don't win 49 states if your policies have failed. The 1980's were wonderful. Those who think otherwise obviously belong to the unproducive classes who won't work, aren't capable of creating wealth or opportunity and prefer to live a life of government dependency. For those people the 1980's were certainly a dark time.
Hey Val, you're paying $4.30 for milk?  You need to be shopping at Wal-Mart (not available to most of us in 1980).
Well, i was just a kid then.  I knew zilch about politics, but i also don't remember anyone worrying too much about the state of America's economy.  The only real threat to our borders was an imagined movie threat starring Patrick Swayze about Russians parachuting into our lands and having to be fought off by armies of...highschoolers?  LOL.  Yup, weird times.  But if i had to chose i would rather be in these times because i believe in Obmama, and i know we will be ok in a few months.  
I think people forget that Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union.  It collapsed due to a failed KGB plot to arrest President Gorbachev and replace him with a pre-chosen KGB leader.  The plot fell apart because it was disorganized, there was bad communication between plotters, and Boris Yeltsin used the opportunity to grandstand and rally the people to bring Gorbachev back.  It cemented his position as future leader due to his popularity and the weak Gorbachev regime.

Back in Washington, the bumbling Reagan, whose brain was riddled with Alzheimers, did pretty much nothing.  Nancy Reagan and her personal astrologer pretty much ran the country during Reagan's 2nd term for that reason.
I think people forget that Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union.  It collapsed due to a failed KGB plot to arrest President Gorbachev and replace him with a pre-chosen KGB leader.  The plot fell apart because it was disorganized, there was bad communication between plotters, and Boris Yeltsin used the opportunity to grandstand and rally the people to bring Gorbachev back.  It cemented his position as future leader due to his popularity and the weak Gorbachev regime.

Back in Washington, the bumbling Reagan, whose brain was riddled with Alzheimers, did pretty much nothing.  Nancy Reagan and her personal astrologer pretty much ran the country during Reagan's 2nd term for that reason.
Thanks, Poot!  How painful to read through these comments and half of them are so poorly written I cringe to think these people have jobs other than working at McDonald's....geez!
first let me clear up my post.  


I reacted on three levels. one comical second emotional third serious.  


the comical you see.   the emotional is when i talk about how fun or how much good times we had.  And then teasing the editor and other stuff.



but the serious is what  i first put in the blog.  And that is and first i agree with some of the things other people have put that the 80's werent perfect either.  They had big problems. one of the post put clearly what the problems where.  But  at the time we tought  those were gigantic.




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And even those problems where going to progress into "better " problems.

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what we never could of imagined Is.?  these  problems going the other way.

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As in problems with the Basics.   And that is what i was getting at   And getting at.


Basics:


milk    4.50  

gas  2.50


Rent  1200

Rent  1000

car insurance  250

electricity    100

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that is what im getting at.  If you dont have a hold of the basics. Then the rest  pointless....


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So these 20 years after the 80's   should of sceen a holding of the dollar.  It should of sceen Alt energy. It should of sceen tripling of salaries.

It should of sceen expansion of big business.  It should of had top Employee Rights.  it should of sceen  minimum wage at 14 an hour.

It should of sceen employment gurantees of 5 or 10 years.  It should of sceen Alot really.

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And what it has sceen is the exact Reverse.  


So it's a break down of basics.

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is different than """problems""   problems are aids  crack  defecit  Or crime.

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this is the basics.     You cant get no where if you are Spending  90 percent of your income to live.

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basics

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You can get no where if you can get fired at any moment

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basics

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you cant get no where if you have to learn a new skill every 4 years

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you cant get no where  if you work 60 hours a week   ( family becomes like a stranger  lloll )

.... a.)  in 1985 they thought you where a wacco if you worked more than 40 hours.  today normal

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This stuff is the basics. !!!!

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you can get  no where if the car you drive Costs you 10 days to pay it  

250 for gas
250 insurance
250 car payment.

means the first 12 days of the month you paying for car

1000 rent   next 7 days you working for rent

400  food eletricity  

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that means what you saving.?    3 days of work  

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no man break down of basics

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You cant get no where if your main Industry is something that dosn't exist. Service !!!! what the hell is is service it can mean anything

so that means what anything can get you fired too.?

No man America where made to build things work with there hands and mind And construct and advance Service advances nothing. Just a small business man. It decimates the employee. turns him into tool almost.

My proof is  1990 till today.  Service has lead us into 4 recessions. Count them   It's an unstable industry. useless in my book. It requires that you hold half your income in an investment. And it requires Unattainable goals. And a never ending Apprenticeship.

Instead of mastering of one skill.

Like a 20 year Gm worker would.  how many times have we had to switch careers already. And it at the very least cuases massive Transiantcy ( sorry dont know how to spell that )

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basics  how can an employee be protected with out unions  You guys threw them out in 87  So now no protection. Basics !!!

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How the f can you compete against against a mexican building a shoe for 1 dollar an hour.  But these people canceled Tarrifs through nafta. in '90.

And you freeking people did'nt say a word.  

So  now they destroyed the manufactoring sector. When we had strong Tarifs  we had Strong jobs   !!!

And Strong Salaries

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Basics !!!

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basics man basics  

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And i spell good enough for any of you clowns   llllolll....

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basics man basics  !!!  

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We need to get back to them.

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And we need to stop this obsession with Globalisim. Which has been a disaster for us.

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And cut all these people loose and say take care of your own countries Grow your own economies. And employ your own people.  How you do it is your problem.

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And we have to invest on everything National.

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Meaning from here out.!  We need a strong sense of nationalisim. Us First Us only.

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I can't help but think some posters here are young and swayed by what's currently 'fashionable.'  Ten years ago, they'd be saying how great the 70s were (despite never having really experienced them) and how much the 80s sucked.  

For 90s kids, it was trendy to sneer at the 80s and praise the 60s and 70s.  For 00s kids, it's trendy to sneer at the 90s and praise the 80s.  

So take it from someone who actually was an 80s teen ... the 80s weren't all that.  

There are some things I miss about the 80s - better television and the proliferation of youth tribes - the New Romantics, the punks, the goths, the hair metallers et al. Youth culture today seems so homogenised by comparison.  

But the music largely sucked, in comparison to the music of the 60s and 70s.  Over-produced, over-commercialised, with that horrible, clean, pink-and-silver crystalline sound.  If you wanted decent music in the 80s, you had to look beyond the top 100 and go indie.  That's another thing I miss about the 80s - indie was actually indie.

The idealists of the 60s and 70s are in hindsight rightly perceived as naive, but people back then were at least nicer to each other.  People started getting nastier in yes, you guessed it, the 80s.

Then there was the Cold War.  Hard to believe now but people literally lived in fear of imminent nuclear attack, not helped by sensationalist TV shows such as The Day After and Threads.  

To say nothing of the high levels of unemployment.  The rich and greedy might well have had the time of their lives in the 80s, but for the average person looking for work, the decade was nothing short of a living hell.

Things started to pick up in the last year of the decade, which stylistically and musically was pretty much a precursor to the coming 90s anyway.

Larry,

My comment about the deregulation policies of Ronald Reagan was very specific and I still believe it is the underlying reason for our current financial difficulties we are experiencing today.  The changes in China only exasperated the problem because our runaway national indebtedness has been bought mostly by China.  If we didn't have this crises in our financial markets and government debt, China would be a non-issue.

But the real culprit in all of this is not our President or Congress over the past 30 years.  It is the American voter who has continually re-elected the same bumbling idiots that has gotten us into this mess. Democrats will do anything to make Republicans look bad and Republicans will do anything to make Democrats look bad, while the country is going down the drain.  

The sad thing is, most of us vote against someone other than for someone which is probably influenced by so much negative political advertising.  I look at the voting ticket and try to decide who will do the least damage instead of who will do the most good.

In my 40+ years of voting, I can honestly say, I have never been so disillusioned about the future of our country and how our children as well as our grandchildren will be called on to pay for the mistakes of our generation.
What was the 1980's like?
Reagan as President was the seemingly Big Boss
College was Yuppie oriented
Designer golf shirts was haute fashionista
Lands End,Eddie Bauer,Calvin Klein
Hey,its amusing how we look back at that decade and rewrite its history into this whimsical like chapter of Lost Innocense...it had BS like any chapter of our nation's development
this is crazy.
i was born in 1992.
and i can tell from what i've read.
and what i am experiencing at the moment.
life & communities have changed. drastically in the past ten years.
people arent as friendly as they were back in the day. you cant walk outside without having to worry about "watching you back" or locking your doors without worrying that someone will break in your house. there is no sense of security now a days!

my [step] father is in the militay.
navy to be exact.
& is never around. he is always working and not to sound trashy.
but a complete a**hole. towards me and my family.
treats my mother like crap..... as well as his kids.

back in the 80's life wasnt like this. life wasnt this hard. if you respected your parents then they respected you. im doing all of this tryingto get him to except me and i cant even get a little. noda.









men in the 80's were prefect.
loving caring.

all the way.

thanks!(:
Quick question is the world going to end in 2012??
I sure hope not.


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